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Hi again Jan,

Well, I sure am a dumbnuts about this stuff, but am ready

to learn.

<The amount of energy at the disposal of a mind-body is finite

as at its death it is zero and inbetween are all cases of disease..

>>>>>>>>>>

Well, I guess you would have to believe that death is a zero, and

that there really was an inbetween. I think life is Life and death

is an unavoidable illusion. If life is life, then there can be no

death, for Life is untouched by physical death. What do you

think?

<Transformation pertains to the mind-body, the Self cannot realize the

Self. A mind-body is born with a potential for

fear, shame, guilt, embarrassment, envy etc. and this isn't a recipe for

unconditional happiness. The removal of that potential requires energy -

life-energy... >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Whow! your kidding me! The Self (in caps), cannot be Self

realised! Jeeze I am in deep shit. Yes, energy is required in all

things-but what is without energy?

<After apperception it is possible to become aware of the

distribution of this this energy>>>>>>>

Sorry, you lost me already. Appreciation of what?

<When the energy isn't fully spent, it will find another outlet -

one that eventually dissolves all potential that could generate the

least sense of separateness - literally.>>>

I have been looking at this sentence from all angles. Still do not

figure it out What is this energy that dissolves all potentials?

Surely energy is all potential. Maybe you mean conscious

redirection of energy, and not spent energy. In which case it

would not be spent energy. Are you writing about karmic

energy? Well, thats a whole other issue I could yap about.

<The "critical" phase is one, often of seclusion and bliss, giving

rise to many a devotional work - examples of that abound.>>>>

So thats not a good thing then?

<After that phase, as no more energy can "leak" through the

removed potential(s), happiness is "default", energy is abundant

(but still finite). >>>>>

Who removed the potentials? Is there something going on here I

should no about? Who said my happiness is a *default*, and

how do we get from abundance to finite, just cuz Im happy?

<The Buddha called this "nirvana with substratum remaining".

A kind of "must" for a happy relationship as there is no more

potential for attachment to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I get this. Yes. No substratum of conditionality. Just love.

Jan, I no little of this yoga stuff, so be patient with me. I know

that relationships are tough going for most of us. Yet this whole

loving universe is relating to itself through dynamic laws of

attraction. This attraction works within us and through us as

love. Love is the attractant of all things. When the conditioned

mind (lets call it the ego), seeks love, it seeks by provision. It

must provide for itself what it feels that it lacks. So, it cannot

give completely, for its reality is scarcity. It must seek more, for

it believes it is unwhole. Which of course, it is. The reality

though, is that everything is a wholeness of love. There is no

lack in a healed heart. No conditions to be set. No games to be

played but love itself. As always the medicine is in the place

that the illness is. The heart of awareness.

<Peace, Jan>>>>>>>>>>

Yes peace to you Jan, and peace to all lovers.

Love is still the wonder and miracle of this life.

We learn by it, we grow by it, we live within it, but we can

never die from it. For it is inexhaustible.

love

eric.

On 10/4/01 at 10:06 AM ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

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<Why unknowingly divert life-energy? A mind-body is equipped with a

finite amount of it, once spent it can't be renewed. >>>>>>>>

am not clear what you mean here. In my view, energy is total and

indivisible, being the flow of spirit. Whilst this flow resonates at

different levels to vibrate on the planes of consciousness and

substance, even so, it can never be finite, just transformed. The

mind-body, simply becomes an other vibrational reality of spirit.

Maybe I am misreading your meaning here though.

The amount of energy at the disposal of a mind-body is finite as

at its death it is zero and inbetween are all cases of disease..

Transformation pertains to the mind-body, the Self

cannot realize the Self. A mind-body is born with a potential for fear,

shame, guilt, embarrassment, envy etc. and this isn't a recipe for unconditional

happiness. The removal of that potential requires energy - life-energy...

After apperception it is possible to become aware of the distribution of this

life-energy. When the energy isn't fully spent, it will find another outlet - one that

eventually dissolves all potential that could generate the least sense of

separateness - literally. The "critical" phase is one, often of seclusion and bliss,

giving rise to many a devotional work - examples of that abound. After that phase,

as no more energy can "leak" through the removed potential(s), happiness is "default",

energy is abundant (but still finite). The Buddha called this "nirvana with substratum

remaining". A kind of "must" for a happy relationship as there is no more potential

for attachment to it.

Peace,

Jan

[...]

love

eric.

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On 10/4/01 at 6:12 PM ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

Hi again Jan,Hi EricW

ell, I sure am a dumbnuts about this stuff, but am ready to learn.

[...]

In that case, have a great time to learn that there is nothing to learn!

Does a tree have to learn how to grow?

Does a rabbit have to know which food contains proteins and vitamins?

Etc. etc. etc.

What could be one conclusion of that?

Perhaps, that there is a perspective where the intellectual

"mumbo jumbo" is moot, irrelevant?

You bet! Knowing that perspective, no incentive for discussions

has been left - intellectualizations and discussions do not "deliver".

That won't fill the books but i don't have to

Nor do i have to learn from them

Understanding the law of gravity neither makes an apple fall any better

nor can prevent it falling from the tree

Peace,

Jan