Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 Jill Eggers [eggersj] Thank you, dear Harsha, Your description of these processes is helpful. I wonder if you would describe what might constitute a "normal" kundalini awakening, though. Presumably it would be much smoother. It seems that, not just for me and Kate, who wrote earlier on this topic, but for most people on the k list, that the experiences described above as abnormal are very much the norm for those experiencing kundalini awakenings. Jill ********************************** Dear Jill, You are probably right in that there may not be such a thing as a "normal" Kundalini awakening. In my way of thinking, an "abnormal" awakening involves an unusually high degree of mental, emotional, and even physical stress and suffering. Often it takes place unexpectedly without adequate psychological preparation. In a "normal" awakening on the other hand, the Shakti enters the sushmana, with the usual accompanying symptoms of electric energy, high voltage. Although there may be dramatic experiences within the body and in entering the superconscious states, one is not psychologically impacted in normal activities as the barrier between the conscious and unconscious weakens only gradually over a period of many years and one adjusts. The frame of mind in which one has the "Kundalini awakening" makes a difference perhaps. I have heard some groups like 3H0 say that their members never have any troubles because they prepare the body adequately through physical and pranayama exercises before hand. I don't know. It's hard to come up with any general rules. It is possible that almost everyone goes through both types of awakenings, normal and abnormal. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 On 10/12/01 at 9:15 AM Harsha wrote: [...] º It is possible that almost everyone goes through both types of awakenings, ºnormal and abnormal. º ºHarsha In that case, in Buddhist literature (forgot which) i came across a description like "a diamond cutter that strikes the head". Not exactly at the top, but more to the right side.. That event is quite painful but lasts only short... Another "mark", depicted in Sufi and Rosicrucian literature as "the rose of the heart", is pointed at in the biography of Padma Sambhava as a bird of prey, inflicting a wound in the chest (the "on axis" heart chakra). This is not at all the rising from the base center, but a descending from the crown first... Depicted in the NT as "a dove landing on the head". After the "rose of the heart" opens, the other chakras come into play - the first "mark" being the piercing of the knot of the heart (holy Grail in Rosicrucian literature). That is followed by the "solemnization" of the Alchemical Wedding - after which Shakti "resides" in the crown chakra, until the proverbial snake swallows herself. As that is what classical literature calls "normal", since having been a member of the K. list, i have to admit that "normal" probably is rare Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 10/12/01 at 9:15 AM Harsha wrote: > > [...] > º It is possible that almost everyone goes through both types of awakenings, > ºnormal and abnormal. > º > Another "mark", depicted in Sufi and Rosicrucian literature > as "the rose of the heart", is pointed at in the biography of > Padma Sambhava as a bird of prey, inflicting a wound in the chest > (the "on axis" heart chakra). This is not at all the rising from > the base center, but a descending from the crown first... Depicted > in the NT as "a dove landing on the head". I have seen possible depictings of this in Reneissance art. There is a statue in Milan (?) called "St. Theresa's ecstasy" which shows the saint reclined in ecstasy clutching her chest. An accompanying description mentions "pain like an arrow piercing the heart" along with sensations of spiritual ecstasy. It is quite a nice statue and can be seen on images on the net I suspect. (Don't have a link for the moment.) >That is followed by the "solemnization" of the > Alchemical Wedding - after which Shakti "resides" in the crown chakra, > until the proverbial snake swallows herself. > > As that is what classical literature calls "normal", since having been a member > of the K. list, i have to admit that "normal" probably is rare There may be something in that. I'll have to admit that I thought my own process was abnormal since I haven't missed a day of work/school because of it. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Hi Jan, Thanks for reminding of the similar symbolism in Sufi and Rosicrucian literature. The manifestations of Shakti are so varied that it is difficult to use the terms "abnormal" and "normal" awakening. In the classical yogic literature, Sahasharara is seen as joining of Shiva and Shakti. Sri Ramana, however, pointed out that through grace, Shakti descends into the Heart where Pure Consciousness Shines in Its Own Nature without any support. Speaking purely, the Self is the Self. The Self can be realized at any center or at any non-center, as there is Only the Self, The Heart, that supports all centers. Love to all Harsha jb [kvy9] Saturday, October 13, 2001 6:20 AM Re: Jill/Concerns about yoga (KundaliniAwakenings On 10/12/01 at 9:15 AM Harsha wrote: [...] : It is possible that almost everyone goes through both types of awakenings, :normal and abnormal. : :Harsha In that case, in Buddhist literature (forgot which) i came across a description like "a diamond cutter that strikes the head". Not exactly at the top, but more to the right side.. That event is quite painful but lasts only short... Another "mark", depicted in Sufi and Rosicrucian literature as "the rose of the heart", is pointed at in the biography of Padma Sambhava as a bird of prey, inflicting a wound in the chest (the "on axis" heart chakra). This is not at all the rising from the base center, but a descending from the crown first... Depicted in the NT as "a dove landing on the head". After the "rose of the heart" opens, the other chakras come into play - the first "mark" being the piercing of the knot of the heart (holy Grail in Rosicrucian literature). That is followed by the "solemnization" of the Alchemical Wedding - after which Shakti "resides" in the crown chakra, until the proverbial snake swallows herself. As that is what classical literature calls "normal", since having been a member of the K. list, i have to admit that "normal" probably is rare Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 ....the Self is the Self. The Self can be realized at anycenter or at any non-center, as there is Only the Self, The Heart, thatsupports all centers.Love to allHarsha Mmmmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 On 10/13/01 at 5:24 PM mumblecat wrote: º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> On 10/12/01 at 9:15 AM Harsha wrote: º> º> [...] º> º It is possible that almost everyone goes through both types ºof awakenings, º> ºnormal and abnormal. º> º º> Another "mark", depicted in Sufi and Rosicrucian literature º> as "the rose of the heart", is pointed at in the biography of º> Padma Sambhava as a bird of prey, inflicting a wound in the chest º> (the "on axis" heart chakra). This is not at all the rising from º> the base center, but a descending from the crown first... Depicted º> in the NT as "a dove landing on the head". º ºI have seen possible depictings of this in Reneissance art. There is ºa statue in Milan (?) called "St. Theresa's ecstasy" which shows the ºsaint reclined in ecstasy clutching her chest. An accompanying ºdescription mentions "pain like an arrow piercing the heart" along ºwith sensations of spiritual ecstasy. It is quite a nice statue and ºcan be seen on images on the net I suspect. (Don't have a link for ºthe moment.) There are many ways to convey the same event - the above is quite clear... º º>That is followed by the "solemnization" of the º> Alchemical Wedding - after which Shakti "resides" in the crown ºchakra, º> until the proverbial snake swallows herself. º> º> As that is what classical literature calls "normal", since having ºbeen a member º> of the K. list, i have to admit that "normal" probably is rare º ºThere may be something in that. Some will faint at the sight of blood whereas others won't Some will faint when pain reaches a certain threshold whereas others won't With the strain, Shakti will put on the mind-body, the same applies: The sensitivity to the side-effects (sensations of void, empathy etc) can vary widely and Shakti will not "overload" the mind-body. What is "normal" in literature, requires a minimum sensitivity to the side-effects - unconditional surrender. º ºI'll have to admit that I thought my own process was abnormal since I ºhaven't missed a day of work/school because of it. º º ºLove, º ºAmanda. That you didn't miss a day of work or school i would call a favorable sign - because it can be interpreted as "no resistance". Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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