Guest guest Posted October 12, 2001 Report Share Posted October 12, 2001 Nirvana.......Nagarjuna Were everything not empty, Nothing would happen. Nirvana would be a letting go And stopping of what? Nothing let go of, nothing attained, Nothing annihilated, nothing eternal, Unceasing and unborn--- That is nirvana. If it were something, Nirvana would be contingent And would wither and die Like all other things. Can nirvana be nothing? Not to be something Does not mean to be nothing. Were nirvana nothing, It would be contingent Like all other nothings. Things are created and contingent; Nirvana is neither: The letting go of what rises and passes Is neither something nor nothing. Were nirvana both something and nothing, Things and nothings would be free Or nirvana would be as contingent as they: Darkness and light cannot be one. Can I experience nirvana As neither something nor nothing? This would be possible Only if something or nothing were. After the Buddha died, He was not seen as existing or not. Even when he lived, He was not seen as such. Life is no different from nirvana, Nirvana no different than life. Life's horizons are nirvana's: The two are exactly the same. Visions of the beyond, Of eternity, annihilation Depend on how you see Nirvana, the past and the future. What finitude in empty things? What infinity? What this? What else? What stays? What changes? The dissolving of objects And easing of fixations is peace. The Buddha never taught Anyone anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Thank you John. Many of the passages remind of Jnaneshwar's poetry. Are you familiar with it? Love to all Harsha riverjohn77 (AT) cs (DOT) com [riverjohn77 (AT) cs (DOT) com]Friday, October 12, 2001 5:36 PMTo: harshaSatsanghSubject: Re: When ALL is liberated NO ONE is liberated!"...Unbounded Liberation Nirvana." Nirvana.......Nagarjuna Were everything not empty, Nothing would happen. Nirvana would be a letting go And stopping of what? Nothing let go of, nothing attained, Nothing annihilated, nothing eternal, Unceasing and unborn--- That is nirvana. If it were something, Nirvana would be contingent And would wither and die Like all other things. Can nirvana be nothing? Not to be something Does not mean to be nothing. Were nirvana nothing, It would be contingent Like all other nothings. Things are created and contingent; Nirvana is neither: The letting go of what rises and passes Is neither something nor nothing. Were nirvana both something and nothing, Things and nothings would be free Or nirvana would be as contingent as they: Darkness and light cannot be one. Can I experience nirvana As neither something nor nothing? This would be possible Only if something or nothing were. After the Buddha died, He was not seen as existing or not. Even when he lived, He was not seen as such. Life is no different from nirvana, Nirvana no different than life. Life's horizons are nirvana's: The two are exactly the same. Visions of the beyond, Of eternity, annihilation Depend on how you see Nirvana, the past and the future. What finitude in empty things? What infinity? What this? What else? What stays? What changes? The dissolving of objects And easing of fixations is peace. The Buddha never taught Anyone anything. /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hello Harsha, No, I'm not familiar with Jnaneshwar, but will do some searching for his poetry. Thanks for the tip, have a good day. John , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > Thank you John. Many of the passages remind of Jnaneshwar's poetry. Are you > familiar with it? > > Love to all > Harsha > > riverjohn77@c... [riverjohn77@c...] > Friday, October 12, 2001 5:36 PM > harshaSatsangh > Re: When ALL is liberated NO ONE is liberated! > > > "...Unbounded Liberation Nirvana." > > Nirvana.......Nagarjuna > > Were everything not empty, > Nothing would happen. > Nirvana would be a letting go > And stopping of what? > > Nothing let go of, nothing attained, > Nothing annihilated, nothing eternal, > Unceasing and unborn--- > That is nirvana. > > If it were something, > Nirvana would be contingent > And would wither and die > Like all other things. > > Can nirvana be nothing? > Not to be something > Does not mean to be nothing. > Were nirvana nothing, > It would be contingent > Like all other nothings. > > Things are created and contingent; > Nirvana is neither: > The letting go of what rises and passes > Is neither something nor nothing. > > Were nirvana both something and nothing, > Things and nothings would be free > Or nirvana would be as contingent as they: > Darkness and light cannot be one. > > Can I experience nirvana > As neither something nor nothing? > This would be possible > Only if something or nothing were. > > After the Buddha died, > He was not seen as existing or not. > Even when he lived, > He was not seen as such. > > Life is no different from nirvana, > Nirvana no different than life. > Life's horizons are nirvana's: > The two are exactly the same. > > Visions of the beyond, > Of eternity, annihilation > Depend on how you see > Nirvana, the past and the future. > > What finitude in empty things? > What infinity? > What this? What else? > What stays? What changes? > > The dissolving of objects > And easing of fixations is peace. > The Buddha never taught > Anyone anything. > Sponsor > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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