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Dear Friends,

 

I recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of

Fire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many,

many years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences

that she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was

your take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much

lately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it.

And I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this.

 

Love,

Mazie

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Hello,

 

I read this book.

 

Interesting, though she is perhaps too much fascinated by this joking guy.

 

Many of these gurus seem to be spoiled children.

 

A document anyway.

 

Froggy Jacques

 

 

 

Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven

http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/kundalini.html

http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/

http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowGallery.cfm?AcctID=797

http://www.photosapiens.com/redir.asp?comu_id=171

Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven

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mmm....before religion, the sufis were....after religion, sufis will

be....sufis are the once and future guru/messiah that says.....i am in the

father as the father is in me.....or.....i am you, beloved......or....for me

to live is christ and to die is gain......the teachings of all great ones

are the teachings of the one who manifests itself infinitely in the ten

thousand things that are and are not....i am and am not that.....my dharma

doors are infinite.....if you seek me in any direction whatsoever you will

find me.....i am both without and within all things......^^~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe

 

-

<sraddha54

<>

Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:27 AM

Daughter of Fire

 

> Dear Friends,

>

> I recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of

> Fire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many,

> many years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences

> that she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was

> your take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much

> lately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it.

> And I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this.

>

> Love,

> Mazie

>

>

>

>

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54 wrote:

 

ºDear Friends,

º

ºI recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of

ºFire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many,

ºmany years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences

ºthat she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was

ºyour take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much

ºlately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it.

ºAnd I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this.

º

ºLove,

ºMazie

 

Dear Mazie,

 

Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are right, it

deals with K. a lot.

You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't a physical

attraction but

something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the most "physical" effects of

the Shakti

as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it possible for

Shakti to "move"

swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her master served

as a lighthouse

turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun.

But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for instance

wrote this:

 

--------------------------------

> Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

> is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> veil that hides Him is His own being.

>

> He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor

> ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

> know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

----

 

Love,

Jan

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, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote:

>

> Dear Mazie,

>

> Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are

right, it deals with K. a lot.

> You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't

a physical attraction but

> something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the

most "physical" effects of the Shakti

> as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it

possible for Shakti to "move"

> swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her

master served as a lighthouse

> turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun.

> But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for

instance wrote this:

>

> --------------------------------

>

> > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

> > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> > veil that hides Him is His own being.

> >

> > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist,

nor

> > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

> > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> > Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

> ----

>

> Love,

> Jan

 

Dear Jan,

 

This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he referred

to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi mystics,

and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been

having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote,

coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I just

can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be

Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how

wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and

studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra,

or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to

realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my

teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi -

 

"When you are with everyone but me,

you're with no one.

When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone.

 

Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone.

When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty."

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

"My love wanders the rooms, melodious,

flute-notes, plucked wires,

full of a wine the Magi drank

on the way to Bethlehem.

 

We are three. The moon comes

from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water

down in the center. The circle

of surface flames.

 

One of us kneels to kiss the threshold.

 

One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face.

 

One watches the gathering,

 

and says to any cold onlookers,

 

This dance is the joy of existence."

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

"Last night, full of longing, asking

the wine-woman for more, and then more.

 

She teased me so lovingly I fell

into her and disappeared. Then

she was there alone."

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

"I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost,

blind with love. What should I do?"

 

Give up owning things and being

somebody. Quit existing.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

"Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up.

Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room,

and you just a stranger who wandered in."

 

Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks,

also, for your always striking photos you share.

 

Love,

Mazie

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Mazie, Shradda54 & Friends,

 

I have read "Daughter of Fire" as well as it's more popular

abreviation, "Chasm of Fire". I think to call it "Sufic" is about as

apropriate as to call it "Hindu, which would violate none on the

truths revealed within it. Frankly, as any spiritually sophisticated

Tibetan would realize, it would more properly be known as "Guru Yoga"

 

I, myself, studied with Baba Muktananda, and I think that Irina

Tweedie has admirably expressed the suffering and dedication involved

with approaching "accomplishment" in the spiritual arena.

 

My own thoughts wouldn't be popular here, any more than they are

popular in "spiritual circles". The path of the Guru, as well as

Kundalini Yoga in any guise, is a path of consciously accepted

suffering. This simply isn't a popular view, and the reasons are

obvious.

 

Baba, not often , nor with much emphasis, always honored the terrible

truths that comprise spiritual life, for those who could hear him,

just as Irina Tweedie does in her compelling and frightening

spiritual autobiography. As a modern wag has stated, "If you aren't

paranoid, you aren't in touch." If you aren't frightened, you don't

yet understand the game.

 

you might assume that reading some of the "Pollyanna" attitudes that

characterize much of the common fare of spiritual life as well as

spiritual internet dialogue, is a little annoying for someone who has

experienced what is actuallly required in the way of sacrifice and

self abnegation, when the "nitty' of real spiritual ambition gets

down to the "gritty" of spiritual reality. Well, if I'm any proof of

the game, I can only say that it is annoying, but that approach seems

to be essential for many, if not the obvious majority.

 

I recommend that anyone who experiences themselves as serious in

their pursuit of spiritual reality, check in at Irina Tweedie's

reality testing self revelations, either as "Daughter of Fire"

or "Chasm of Fire". Contact with a Guru of Sufic or Saivite, or for

that matter, Buddhistic tantric practice of the Yoga that is

nominally called "Guru Yoga", can only be better understood if one

immerses oneself in the world that Irina Tweedie so eloquently and

nakedly presents.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mazie,

> >

> > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you

are

> right, it deals with K. a lot.

> > You will come along her observation that love for her Master

isn't

> a physical attraction but

> > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the

> most "physical" effects of the Shakti

> > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it

> possible for Shakti to "move"

> > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her

> master served as a lighthouse

> > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun.

> > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi

for

> instance wrote this:

> >

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

> > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> > > veil that hides Him is His own being.

> > >

> > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist,

> nor

> > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

> > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

> > ----

> >

> > Love,

> > Jan

>

> Dear Jan,

>

> This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he

referred

> to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi

mystics,

> and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been

> having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote,

> coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I

just

> can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be

> Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how

> wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and

> studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra,

> or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to

> realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my

> teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi -

>

> "When you are with everyone but me,

> you're with no one.

> When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone.

>

> Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone.

> When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty."

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> "My love wanders the rooms, melodious,

> flute-notes, plucked wires,

> full of a wine the Magi drank

> on the way to Bethlehem.

>

> We are three. The moon comes

> from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water

> down in the center. The circle

> of surface flames.

>

> One of us kneels to kiss the threshold.

>

> One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face.

>

> One watches the gathering,

>

> and says to any cold onlookers,

>

> This dance is the joy of existence."

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> "Last night, full of longing, asking

> the wine-woman for more, and then more.

>

> She teased me so lovingly I fell

> into her and disappeared. Then

> she was there alone."

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost,

> blind with love. What should I do?"

>

> Give up owning things and being

> somebody. Quit existing.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up.

> Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room,

> and you just a stranger who wandered in."

>

> Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks,

> also, for your always striking photos you share.

>

> Love,

> Mazie

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Maize, Jan, Eric....all I know is reading the Jan B quote below of

Ibn El Arabi sent me into a grey pit.

 

My mind is so greedy for some leg to stand on, some way to walk

through the world.

 

diana

 

, EBlackstead@c... wrote:

> Mazie, Shradda54 & Friends,

>

> I have read "Daughter of Fire" as well as it's more popular

> abreviation, "Chasm of Fire". I think to call it "Sufic" is about

as

> apropriate as to call it "Hindu, which would violate none on the

> truths revealed within it. Frankly, as any spiritually

sophisticated

> Tibetan would realize, it would more properly be known as "Guru

Yoga"

>

> I, myself, studied with Baba Muktananda, and I think that Irina

> Tweedie has admirably expressed the suffering and dedication

involved

> with approaching "accomplishment" in the spiritual arena.

>

> My own thoughts wouldn't be popular here, any more than they are

> popular in "spiritual circles". The path of the Guru, as well as

> Kundalini Yoga in any guise, is a path of consciously accepted

> suffering. This simply isn't a popular view, and the reasons are

> obvious.

>

> Baba, not often , nor with much emphasis, always honored the

terrible

> truths that comprise spiritual life, for those who could hear him,

> just as Irina Tweedie does in her compelling and frightening

> spiritual autobiography. As a modern wag has stated, "If you aren't

> paranoid, you aren't in touch." If you aren't frightened, you don't

> yet understand the game.

>

> you might assume that reading some of the "Pollyanna" attitudes

that

> characterize much of the common fare of spiritual life as well as

> spiritual internet dialogue, is a little annoying for someone who

has

> experienced what is actuallly required in the way of sacrifice and

> self abnegation, when the "nitty' of real spiritual ambition gets

> down to the "gritty" of spiritual reality. Well, if I'm any proof

of

> the game, I can only say that it is annoying, but that approach

seems

> to be essential for many, if not the obvious majority.

>

> I recommend that anyone who experiences themselves as serious in

> their pursuit of spiritual reality, check in at Irina Tweedie's

> reality testing self revelations, either as "Daughter of Fire"

> or "Chasm of Fire". Contact with a Guru of Sufic or Saivite, or for

> that matter, Buddhistic tantric practice of the Yoga that is

> nominally called "Guru Yoga", can only be better understood if one

> immerses oneself in the world that Irina Tweedie so eloquently and

> nakedly presents.

>

> yours in the bonds,

> eric

>

>

>

> , sraddha54@h... wrote:

> > , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> > > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mazie,

> > >

> > > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you

> are

> > right, it deals with K. a lot.

> > > You will come along her observation that love for her Master

> isn't

> > a physical attraction but

> > > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the

> > most "physical" effects of the Shakti

> > > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it

> > possible for Shakti to "move"

> > > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say,

her

> > master served as a lighthouse

> > > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE"

sun.

> > > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi

> for

> > instance wrote this:

> > >

> > > --------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

> > > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> > > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> > > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> > > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> > > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> > > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> > > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> > > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> > > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> > > > veil that hides Him is His own being.

> > > >

> > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> > > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> > > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> > > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do

exist,

> > nor

> > > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> > > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> > > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If

you

> > > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> > > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

> > > ----

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Jan

> >

> > Dear Jan,

> >

> > This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he

> referred

> > to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi

> mystics,

> > and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been

> > having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi

wrote,

> > coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I

> just

> > can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can

be

> > Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how

> > wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya

and

> > studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was

Cleopatra,

> > or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than

to

> > realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my

> > teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more

Rumi -

> >

> > "When you are with everyone but me,

> > you're with no one.

> > When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone.

> >

> > Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone.

> > When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty."

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > "My love wanders the rooms, melodious,

> > flute-notes, plucked wires,

> > full of a wine the Magi drank

> > on the way to Bethlehem.

> >

> > We are three. The moon comes

> > from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water

> > down in the center. The circle

> > of surface flames.

> >

> > One of us kneels to kiss the threshold.

> >

> > One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face.

> >

> > One watches the gathering,

> >

> > and says to any cold onlookers,

> >

> > This dance is the joy of existence."

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > "Last night, full of longing, asking

> > the wine-woman for more, and then more.

> >

> > She teased me so lovingly I fell

> > into her and disappeared. Then

> > she was there alone."

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost,

> > blind with love. What should I do?"

> >

> > Give up owning things and being

> > somebody. Quit existing.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up.

> > Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room,

> > and you just a stranger who wandered in."

> >

> > Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks,

> > also, for your always striking photos you share.

> >

> > Love,

> > Mazie

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On 10/20/01 at 1:45 PM sraddha54 wrote:

 

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º> On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote:

º>

º> Dear Mazie,

º>

º> Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are

ºright, it deals with K. a lot.

º> You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't

ºa physical attraction but

º> something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the

ºmost "physical" effects of the Shakti

º> as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it

ºpossible for Shakti to "move"

º> swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her

ºmaster served as a lighthouse

º> turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun.

º> But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for

ºinstance wrote this:

º>

º> --------------------------------

º>

º> > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He

º> > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

º> > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

º> > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

º> > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

º> > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

º> > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

º> > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

º> > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

º> > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

º> > veil that hides Him is His own being.

º> >

º> > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

º> > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

º> > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

º> > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist,

ºnor

º> > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

º> > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

º> > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

º> > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

º> > Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

º> ----

º>

º> Love,

º> Jan

º

ºDear Jan,

º

ºThis above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he referred

ºto Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi mystics,

ºand largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been

ºhaving on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote,

ºcoming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I just

ºcan't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be

ºNondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how

ºwonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and

ºstudied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra,

ºor I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to

ºrealize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my

ºteacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi -

º

º"When you are with everyone but me,

º you're with no one.

º When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone.

º

º Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone.

º When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty."

º

º~~~~~~~~~~~~

º

º"My love wanders the rooms, melodious,

º flute-notes, plucked wires,

º full of a wine the Magi drank

º on the way to Bethlehem.

º

º We are three. The moon comes

º from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water

º down in the center. The circle

º of surface flames.

º

º One of us kneels to kiss the threshold.

º

º One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face.

º

º One watches the gathering,

º

º and says to any cold onlookers,

º

º This dance is the joy of existence."

º

º~~~~~~~~~~~~~

º

º"Last night, full of longing, asking

º the wine-woman for more, and then more.

º

º She teased me so lovingly I fell

º into her and disappeared. Then

º she was there alone."

º

º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

º

º"I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost,

º blind with love. What should I do?"

º

º Give up owning things and being

º somebody. Quit existing.

º

º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

º

º"Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up.

º Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room,

º and you just a stranger who wandered in."

º

ºThanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks,

ºalso, for your always striking photos you share.

º

ºLove,

ºMazie

 

Dear Mazie,

 

Thanks for the above - it is often forgotten that as long as there are feelings,

a mind-body is subjected to them, hence still will "harvest" the results from

action,

irrespective of a sense of "i and you". Pain without mentation still is

pain...

And how those "remaining" feelings are lived up to, who knows "best"?

Sincerity, consistency - that is probably the unknown perspective of Bhakti...

The tragedy of course, apperception forgotten through upbringing...

Forgotten the "one and only love" - sentient life itself!

 

Love at first sight - it has no 'why'

But you forgot and thus "you" have to die

I know you even before birth

So peaceful you were then

What are you now but earth...

 

You are already one with me

But how quickly you forgot

Now you are longing to be free

You're free right now

Yet you are thinking you are not

 

Had you been sincere to me

The cosmos would be yours for free

But because you preferred to lie

There is no choice left but to die

 

Your most intimate thoughts I know

Yes all of them I know so well

Yet it is you thinking to run life's show

Turning your precious life into a hell

 

Had you discovered 'who am I'

No one would have been left to die

Had you given up your life for me

We would have become one and ever free

Would you have loved me like one mad

Yours would have been a rebirth from the dead

>From ignorance spring all cases of abuse

For ignorance there cannot be excuse

Despite your ignorance, once you will see

"You" are my only love as long as "you" will be

 

Love,

Jan

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Hi Jan:

 

> º> Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are

> ºright, it deals with K. a lot.

 

I would definitely agree with how open her diary is and is probably the most

thorough account that I've ever read. When I first read it I was involved

with trying to make sense of the rather insane relationship I had with a

'teacher' and for a while saw a commonality in techniques. However, in the

end to find the self heart I had to let life once again become the guide and

trust the teacher inside. It's been a long time since I read this book and

now am tempted to pick it up again.

 

Linda

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the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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