Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Dear Friends, I recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of Fire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many, many years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences that she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was your take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much lately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it. And I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this. Love, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Hello, I read this book. Interesting, though she is perhaps too much fascinated by this joking guy. Many of these gurus seem to be spoiled children. A document anyway. Froggy Jacques Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/kundalini.html http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/ http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowGallery.cfm?AcctID=797 http://www.photosapiens.com/redir.asp?comu_id=171 Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 mmm....before religion, the sufis were....after religion, sufis will be....sufis are the once and future guru/messiah that says.....i am in the father as the father is in me.....or.....i am you, beloved......or....for me to live is christ and to die is gain......the teachings of all great ones are the teachings of the one who manifests itself infinitely in the ten thousand things that are and are not....i am and am not that.....my dharma doors are infinite.....if you seek me in any direction whatsoever you will find me.....i am both without and within all things......^^~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe - <sraddha54 <> Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:27 AM Daughter of Fire > Dear Friends, > > I recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of > Fire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many, > many years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences > that she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was > your take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much > lately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it. > And I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this. > > Love, > Mazie > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54 wrote: ºDear Friends, º ºI recently started reading an enormous book called "Daughter of ºFire," by Irina Tweedie. She studied under a Sufi Master for many, ºmany years. Apparently the book deals with much Kundalini experiences ºthat she goes through. Has anyone read this book, and if so, what was ºyour take on it? I seem to be drawn to the Sufi-mystics very much ºlately. I think that wine-bibber, Rumi, has something to do with it. ºAnd I'm SURE that Hafiz has his hand in all of this. º ºLove, ºMazie Dear Mazie, Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are right, it deals with K. a lot. You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't a physical attraction but something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the most "physical" effects of the Shakti as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it possible for Shakti to "move" swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her master served as a lighthouse turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun. But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for instance wrote this: -------------------------------- > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The > veil that hides Him is His own being. > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. ---- Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote: > > Dear Mazie, > > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are right, it deals with K. a lot. > You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't a physical attraction but > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the most "physical" effects of the Shakti > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it possible for Shakti to "move" > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her master served as a lighthouse > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun. > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for instance wrote this: > > -------------------------------- > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The > > veil that hides Him is His own being. > > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > ---- > > Love, > Jan Dear Jan, This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he referred to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi mystics, and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote, coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I just can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra, or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi - "When you are with everyone but me, you're with no one. When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone. Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone. When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty." ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My love wanders the rooms, melodious, flute-notes, plucked wires, full of a wine the Magi drank on the way to Bethlehem. We are three. The moon comes from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water down in the center. The circle of surface flames. One of us kneels to kiss the threshold. One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face. One watches the gathering, and says to any cold onlookers, This dance is the joy of existence." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Last night, full of longing, asking the wine-woman for more, and then more. She teased me so lovingly I fell into her and disappeared. Then she was there alone." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost, blind with love. What should I do?" Give up owning things and being somebody. Quit existing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up. Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room, and you just a stranger who wandered in." Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks, also, for your always striking photos you share. Love, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Mazie, Shradda54 & Friends, I have read "Daughter of Fire" as well as it's more popular abreviation, "Chasm of Fire". I think to call it "Sufic" is about as apropriate as to call it "Hindu, which would violate none on the truths revealed within it. Frankly, as any spiritually sophisticated Tibetan would realize, it would more properly be known as "Guru Yoga" I, myself, studied with Baba Muktananda, and I think that Irina Tweedie has admirably expressed the suffering and dedication involved with approaching "accomplishment" in the spiritual arena. My own thoughts wouldn't be popular here, any more than they are popular in "spiritual circles". The path of the Guru, as well as Kundalini Yoga in any guise, is a path of consciously accepted suffering. This simply isn't a popular view, and the reasons are obvious. Baba, not often , nor with much emphasis, always honored the terrible truths that comprise spiritual life, for those who could hear him, just as Irina Tweedie does in her compelling and frightening spiritual autobiography. As a modern wag has stated, "If you aren't paranoid, you aren't in touch." If you aren't frightened, you don't yet understand the game. you might assume that reading some of the "Pollyanna" attitudes that characterize much of the common fare of spiritual life as well as spiritual internet dialogue, is a little annoying for someone who has experienced what is actuallly required in the way of sacrifice and self abnegation, when the "nitty' of real spiritual ambition gets down to the "gritty" of spiritual reality. Well, if I'm any proof of the game, I can only say that it is annoying, but that approach seems to be essential for many, if not the obvious majority. I recommend that anyone who experiences themselves as serious in their pursuit of spiritual reality, check in at Irina Tweedie's reality testing self revelations, either as "Daughter of Fire" or "Chasm of Fire". Contact with a Guru of Sufic or Saivite, or for that matter, Buddhistic tantric practice of the Yoga that is nominally called "Guru Yoga", can only be better understood if one immerses oneself in the world that Irina Tweedie so eloquently and nakedly presents. yours in the bonds, eric , sraddha54@h... wrote: > , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote: > > > > Dear Mazie, > > > > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are > right, it deals with K. a lot. > > You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't > a physical attraction but > > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the > most "physical" effects of the Shakti > > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it > possible for Shakti to "move" > > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her > master served as a lighthouse > > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun. > > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for > instance wrote this: > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He > > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, > > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor > > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, > > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He > > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know > > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by > > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He > > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which > > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The > > > veil that hides Him is His own being. > > > > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude > > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed > > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and > > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, > nor > > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into > > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you > > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > > ---- > > > > Love, > > Jan > > Dear Jan, > > This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he referred > to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi mystics, > and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been > having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote, > coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I just > can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be > Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how > wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and > studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra, > or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to > realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my > teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi - > > "When you are with everyone but me, > you're with no one. > When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone. > > Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone. > When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "My love wanders the rooms, melodious, > flute-notes, plucked wires, > full of a wine the Magi drank > on the way to Bethlehem. > > We are three. The moon comes > from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water > down in the center. The circle > of surface flames. > > One of us kneels to kiss the threshold. > > One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face. > > One watches the gathering, > > and says to any cold onlookers, > > This dance is the joy of existence." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "Last night, full of longing, asking > the wine-woman for more, and then more. > > She teased me so lovingly I fell > into her and disappeared. Then > she was there alone." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost, > blind with love. What should I do?" > > Give up owning things and being > somebody. Quit existing. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up. > Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room, > and you just a stranger who wandered in." > > Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks, > also, for your always striking photos you share. > > Love, > Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Maize, Jan, Eric....all I know is reading the Jan B quote below of Ibn El Arabi sent me into a grey pit. My mind is so greedy for some leg to stand on, some way to walk through the world. diana , EBlackstead@c... wrote: > Mazie, Shradda54 & Friends, > > I have read "Daughter of Fire" as well as it's more popular > abreviation, "Chasm of Fire". I think to call it "Sufic" is about as > apropriate as to call it "Hindu, which would violate none on the > truths revealed within it. Frankly, as any spiritually sophisticated > Tibetan would realize, it would more properly be known as "Guru Yoga" > > I, myself, studied with Baba Muktananda, and I think that Irina > Tweedie has admirably expressed the suffering and dedication involved > with approaching "accomplishment" in the spiritual arena. > > My own thoughts wouldn't be popular here, any more than they are > popular in "spiritual circles". The path of the Guru, as well as > Kundalini Yoga in any guise, is a path of consciously accepted > suffering. This simply isn't a popular view, and the reasons are > obvious. > > Baba, not often , nor with much emphasis, always honored the terrible > truths that comprise spiritual life, for those who could hear him, > just as Irina Tweedie does in her compelling and frightening > spiritual autobiography. As a modern wag has stated, "If you aren't > paranoid, you aren't in touch." If you aren't frightened, you don't > yet understand the game. > > you might assume that reading some of the "Pollyanna" attitudes that > characterize much of the common fare of spiritual life as well as > spiritual internet dialogue, is a little annoying for someone who has > experienced what is actuallly required in the way of sacrifice and > self abnegation, when the "nitty' of real spiritual ambition gets > down to the "gritty" of spiritual reality. Well, if I'm any proof of > the game, I can only say that it is annoying, but that approach seems > to be essential for many, if not the obvious majority. > > I recommend that anyone who experiences themselves as serious in > their pursuit of spiritual reality, check in at Irina Tweedie's > reality testing self revelations, either as "Daughter of Fire" > or "Chasm of Fire". Contact with a Guru of Sufic or Saivite, or for > that matter, Buddhistic tantric practice of the Yoga that is > nominally called "Guru Yoga", can only be better understood if one > immerses oneself in the world that Irina Tweedie so eloquently and > nakedly presents. > > yours in the bonds, > eric > > > > , sraddha54@h... wrote: > > , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mazie, > > > > > > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you > are > > right, it deals with K. a lot. > > > You will come along her observation that love for her Master > isn't > > a physical attraction but > > > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the > > most "physical" effects of the Shakti > > > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it > > possible for Shakti to "move" > > > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her > > master served as a lighthouse > > > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun. > > > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi > for > > instance wrote this: > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He > > > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, > > > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor > > > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, > > > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He > > > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know > > > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by > > > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He > > > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which > > > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The > > > > veil that hides Him is His own being. > > > > > > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude > > > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed > > > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and > > > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, > > nor > > > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into > > > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > > > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you > > > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > > > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > > > ---- > > > > > > Love, > > > Jan > > > > Dear Jan, > > > > This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he > referred > > to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi > mystics, > > and largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been > > having on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote, > > coming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I > just > > can't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be > > Nondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how > > wonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and > > studied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra, > > or I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to > > realize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my > > teacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi - > > > > "When you are with everyone but me, > > you're with no one. > > When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone. > > > > Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone. > > When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty." > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > "My love wanders the rooms, melodious, > > flute-notes, plucked wires, > > full of a wine the Magi drank > > on the way to Bethlehem. > > > > We are three. The moon comes > > from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water > > down in the center. The circle > > of surface flames. > > > > One of us kneels to kiss the threshold. > > > > One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face. > > > > One watches the gathering, > > > > and says to any cold onlookers, > > > > This dance is the joy of existence." > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > "Last night, full of longing, asking > > the wine-woman for more, and then more. > > > > She teased me so lovingly I fell > > into her and disappeared. Then > > she was there alone." > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost, > > blind with love. What should I do?" > > > > Give up owning things and being > > somebody. Quit existing. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up. > > Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room, > > and you just a stranger who wandered in." > > > > Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks, > > also, for your always striking photos you share. > > > > Love, > > Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 On 10/20/01 at 1:45 PM sraddha54 wrote: º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote: º> º> Dear Mazie, º> º> Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are ºright, it deals with K. a lot. º> You will come along her observation that love for her Master isn't ºa physical attraction but º> something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the ºmost "physical" effects of the Shakti º> as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it ºpossible for Shakti to "move" º> swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her ºmaster served as a lighthouse º> turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun. º> But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi for ºinstance wrote this: º> º> -------------------------------- º> º> > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He º> > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, º> > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor º> > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, º> > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He º> > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know º> > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by º> > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He º> > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which º> > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The º> > veil that hides Him is His own being. º> > º> > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude º> > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed º> > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and º> > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, ºnor º> > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into º> > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. º> > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you º> > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. º> > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. º> ---- º> º> Love, º> Jan º ºDear Jan, º ºThis above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he referred ºto Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the Sufi mystics, ºand largely due to the influence their writing of poetry has been ºhaving on me. I wake up with a single line of something Rumi wrote, ºcoming into my mind. I understand this is a Nondual list, and I just ºcan't say how much it's helped me to understand how a Bhakta can be ºNondual. Knowing that time and space are an illusion, still, how ºwonderful it was to find out that I lived in 13th century Konya and ºstudied under Rumi. To some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra, ºor I was Napolean." Nothing could have brought me more joy than to ºrealize that I had been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my ºteacher. My Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi - º º"When you are with everyone but me, º you're with no one. º When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone. º º Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone. º When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty." º º~~~~~~~~~~~~ º º"My love wanders the rooms, melodious, º flute-notes, plucked wires, º full of a wine the Magi drank º on the way to Bethlehem. º º We are three. The moon comes º from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water º down in the center. The circle º of surface flames. º º One of us kneels to kiss the threshold. º º One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face. º º One watches the gathering, º º and says to any cold onlookers, º º This dance is the joy of existence." º º~~~~~~~~~~~~~ º º"Last night, full of longing, asking º the wine-woman for more, and then more. º º She teased me so lovingly I fell º into her and disappeared. Then º she was there alone." º º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ º º"I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost, º blind with love. What should I do?" º º Give up owning things and being º somebody. Quit existing. º º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ º º"Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up. º Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room, º and you just a stranger who wandered in." º ºThanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography. Thanks, ºalso, for your always striking photos you share. º ºLove, ºMazie Dear Mazie, Thanks for the above - it is often forgotten that as long as there are feelings, a mind-body is subjected to them, hence still will "harvest" the results from action, irrespective of a sense of "i and you". Pain without mentation still is pain... And how those "remaining" feelings are lived up to, who knows "best"? Sincerity, consistency - that is probably the unknown perspective of Bhakti... The tragedy of course, apperception forgotten through upbringing... Forgotten the "one and only love" - sentient life itself! Love at first sight - it has no 'why' But you forgot and thus "you" have to die I know you even before birth So peaceful you were then What are you now but earth... You are already one with me But how quickly you forgot Now you are longing to be free You're free right now Yet you are thinking you are not Had you been sincere to me The cosmos would be yours for free But because you preferred to lie There is no choice left but to die Your most intimate thoughts I know Yes all of them I know so well Yet it is you thinking to run life's show Turning your precious life into a hell Had you discovered 'who am I' No one would have been left to die Had you given up your life for me We would have become one and ever free Would you have loved me like one mad Yours would have been a rebirth from the dead >From ignorance spring all cases of abuse For ignorance there cannot be excuse Despite your ignorance, once you will see "You" are my only love as long as "you" will be Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 Hi Jan: > º> Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and you are > ºright, it deals with K. a lot. I would definitely agree with how open her diary is and is probably the most thorough account that I've ever read. When I first read it I was involved with trying to make sense of the rather insane relationship I had with a 'teacher' and for a while saw a commonality in techniques. However, in the end to find the self heart I had to let life once again become the guide and trust the teacher inside. It's been a long time since I read this book and now am tempted to pick it up again. Linda > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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