Daughter of Fire-reply

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Can you be something, as well as nothing?

Can you be separate and also One?

A mind and also a heart?

Single as well as plural?

Love as well as loving?

Transitory and eternal?

Human as well as divine?

Flesh and spirit?

Undifferentiated, and diverse,

The play and the players?

Illusion and reality?

form and no-form?

All, and less?

I refuse to reason this out with God

Her path is Her is business.

Mine, is Mine.

smiles

eric.

Maize, Jan, Eric....all I know is reading the Jan B quote below of Ibn

El Arabi sent me into a grey pit.

My mind is so greedy for some leg to stand on, some way to walk through the world.

diana

, EBlackstead@c... wrote:

> Mazie, Shradda54 & Friends,

> > I have read "Daughter of Fire" as well as it's more popular >

abreviation, "Chasm of Fire". I think to call it "Sufic" is about as

> apropriate as to call it "Hindu, which would violate none on the >

truths revealed within it. Frankly, as any spiritually sophisticated

> Tibetan would realize, it would more properly be known as "Guru

Yoga"

> > I, myself, studied with Baba Muktananda, and I think that Irina >

Tweedie has admirably expressed the suffering and dedication involved

> with approaching "accomplishment" in the spiritual arena.

> > My own thoughts wouldn't be popular here, any more than they are >

popular in "spiritual circles". The path of the Guru, as well as >

Kundalini Yoga in any guise, is a path of consciously accepted >

suffering. This simply isn't a popular view, and the reasons are >

obvious. > > Baba, not often , nor with much emphasis, always honored

the terrible > truths that comprise spiritual life, for those who

could hear him, > just as Irina Tweedie does in her compelling and

frightening > spiritual autobiography. As a modern wag has stated,

"If you aren't > paranoid, you aren't in touch." If you aren't

frightened, you don't > yet understand the game.

> > you might assume that reading some of the "Pollyanna" attitudes

that > characterize much of the common fare of spiritual life as well

as > spiritual internet dialogue, is a little annoying for someone who

has > experienced what is actuallly required in the way of sacrifice

and > self abnegation, when the "nitty' of real spiritual ambition

gets > down to the "gritty" of spiritual reality. Well, if I'm any

proof of > the game, I can only say that it is annoying, but that

approach seems > to be essential for many, if not the obvious

majority.

> > I recommend that anyone who experiences themselves as serious in >

their pursuit of spiritual reality, check in at Irina Tweedie's >

reality testing self revelations, either as "Daughter of Fire" > or

"Chasm of Fire". Contact with a Guru of Sufic or Saivite, or for >

that matter, Buddhistic tantric practice of the Yoga that is >

nominally called "Guru Yoga", can only be better understood if one >

immerses oneself in the world that Irina Tweedie so eloquently and >

nakedly presents.

> > yours in the bonds,

> eric

> > > > , sraddha54@h... wrote:

> > , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> > > On 10/20/01 at 4:27 AM sraddha54@h... wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mazie,

> > > > > > Irina Tweedie's diary is the most open one i've read - and

you > are > > right, it deals with K. a lot.

> > > You will come along her observation that love for her Master >

isn't > > a physical attraction but

> > > something "beyond". So she doesn't interpret even the > > most

"physical" effects of the Shakti

> > > as an incentive - instead, surrender. Only without fear is it >

> possible for Shakti to "move"

> > > swiftly - Love effectively "deals" with fear. One might say, her

> > master served as a lighthouse

> > > turning out to be the sun, which then she recognized as "THE" sun.

> > > But not all Sufi literature is "just" about Love - Ibn El Arabi

> for > > instance wrote this:

> > > > > > --------------------------------

> > > > > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in

Him. He

> > > > is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him,

> > > > whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor

> > > > can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind,

> > > > intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He

> > > > can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know

> > > > Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by

> > > > Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He

> > > > can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which

> > > > hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The

> > > > veil that hides Him is His own being.

> > > >

> > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude

> > > > you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed

> > > > as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and

> > > > qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do

exist, > > nor

> > > > ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into

> > > > you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him.

> > > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you

> > > > know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord.

> > > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not.

> > > ----

> > > > > > Love,

> > > Jan

> > > > Dear Jan,

> > > > This above, what a gem! Rumi's teacher, Shams of Tabriz, he >

referred > > to Shams as the Sunlight. I have been caught up in the

Sufi > mystics, > > and largely due to the influence their writing of

poetry has been > > having on me. I wake up with a single line of

something Rumi wrote, > > coming into my mind. I understand this is a

Nondual list, and I > just > > can't say how much it's helped me to

understand how a Bhakta can be > > Nondual. Knowing that time and

space are an illusion, still, how > > wonderful it was to find out

that I lived in 13th century Konya and > > studied under Rumi. To

some, this is like saying, "I was Cleopatra, > > or I was Napolean."

Nothing could have brought me more joy than to > > realize that I had

been in the "beloved zikr circle!" Rumi was my > > teacher. My

Gurudeva has often quoted Rumi. For you Jan, more Rumi -

> > > > "When you are with everyone but me,

> > you're with no one.

> > When you are with no one but me, you're with everyone.

> > > > Instead of being so bound up WITH everyone, BE everyone.

> > When you become that many, you're nothing. Empty."

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > "My love wanders the rooms, melodious,

> > flute-notes, plucked wires,

> > full of a wine the Magi drank

> > on the way to Bethlehem.

> > > > We are three. The moon comes

> > from its quiet corner, puts a pitcher of water

> > down in the center. The circle

> > of surface flames.

> > > > One of us kneels to kiss the threshold.

> > > > One drinks, with wine-flames playing over his face.

> > > > One watches the gathering,

> > > > and says to any cold onlookers,

> > > > This dance is the joy of existence."

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > "Last night, full of longing, asking

> > the wine-woman for more, and then more.

> > > > She teased me so lovingly I fell

> > into her and disappeared. Then

> > she was there alone."

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > "I went to the Doctor. "I feel lost,

> > blind with love. What should I do?"

> > > > Give up owning things and being

> > somebody. Quit existing.

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > "Some candles burn themselves, and one another, up.

> > Others taste like a surprise of roses in a room,

> > and you just a stranger who wandered in."

> > > > Thanks, Jan, for the input about the Sufi autobiography.

Thanks, > > also, for your always striking photos you share.

> > > > Love,

> > Mazie

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