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Hi everyone,

 

This quote landed in my in-box today:

 

"He who can see both sides of an argument

is missing something."

Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

 

Can anyone explain? I can see there more sides to an argument

than two (probably an infinite number of sides), but I'm not sure

whether that's what he meant.

 

gill

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On 10/24/01 at 5:00 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

 

ºHi everyone,

º

ºThis quote landed in my in-box today:

º

º"He who can see both sides of an argument

º is missing something."

º Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

º

ºCan anyone explain? I can see there more sides to an argument

ºthan two (probably an infinite number of sides), but I'm not sure

ºwhether that's what he meant.

º

ºgill

 

Any argument is but arbitrary - a situation can arise for both sides

to forget it (at least temporarily) and act as if it doesn't exist.

(Not sure if that was meant with the quote either - nice guessing game btw)

 

Jan

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jb, Jan & Friends,

 

º"He who can see both sides of an argument

º is missing something."

º Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

 

Perhaps, what our learned friend was refering to was the lack of

an 'intuitive'or apparently self generative answer to the argument?

In other words, maybe he was refering to the absence in this case

of 'wisdom'or viveka, even though rationality, or intelligence, was

in abundant supply.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> On 10/24/01 at 5:00 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

>

> ºHi everyone,

> º

> ºThis quote landed in my in-box today:

> º

> º"He who can see both sides of an argument

> º is missing something."

> º Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

> º

> ºCan anyone explain? I can see there more sides to an argument

> ºthan two (probably an infinite number of sides), but I'm not sure

> ºwhether that's what he meant.

> º

> ºgill

>

> Any argument is but arbitrary - a situation can arise for both sides

> to forget it (at least temporarily) and act as if it doesn't exist.

> (Not sure if that was meant with the quote either - nice guessing

game btw)

>

> Jan

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, "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> This quote landed in my in-box today:

>

> "He who can see both sides of an argument

> is missing something."

> Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

>

> Can anyone explain? I can see there more sides to an argument

> than two (probably an infinite number of sides), but I'm not sure

> whether that's what he meant.

>

> gill

 

 

(Jan, you're right... fun game!)

 

I used to observe people arguing to see what I could learn from these

observations. In every instance, it became obvious that they were in

complete agreement, but because they were using different

symbols/words to make their points, it turned into an argument. It

was like observing two people talking different languages and

misinterpreting what each other said.

 

Therefore, I say what is missing is the interpreter to tell them

there is no argument!

:-)

 

Great to see you back Gill!

 

Also, welcome back my good buddy Dee!

 

Love,xxxtg

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jb wrote:

On 10/24/01 at 5:00 PM Gill Collingwood wrote:

ºHi everyone,

º

ºThis quote landed in my in-box today:

º

º"He who can see both sides of an argument

º is missing something."

º Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

º

ºCan anyone explain?

Commitment

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Thanks, Eric, Jan, Mace and teegee, for your responses. Food for

thought! Really, the quote is so vague it could mean a million

different things... (Which may be what he intended! A self-

demonstrating statement! LOL!)

 

Teegee, it's great to see you again, too! I was feeling a bit nervous

about coming out of the woodwork and saying 'hi'; knowing you

were here helped a lot.

 

love,

gill

ps Eric, can I have your bonds if you don't want them? I keep

forgetting where I put mine...

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Hi Gill and friends,

 

Re the quote:

"He who can see both sides of an argument

is missing something."

Idries Shah, 20th Century Sufi

 

I feel that quote can be undestood by distinguishing two aspects

of 'Attention'.

 

* There is attention with intention (in-tension) where there is

'one' who is attending which is the case in this quote - there is 'he'

who is seeing both sides of an argument.

 

* There is attention which is innocent where there is no one that

is attending.

 

In this way we see that what the 'he' in the quote is missing is

his own involvement.

 

This is closely related to what Eric said about intellect and

intuition. And, Mace's committment comes from the clear seeing of the

situation - when there is innocent attention the situation offers its

own solution.

 

Love to All,

james

 

 

 

, "Gill Collingwood" <gill@n...> wrote:

> Thanks, Eric, Jan, Mace and teegee, for your responses. Food for

> thought! Really, the quote is so vague it could mean a million

> different things... (Which may be what he intended! A self-

> demonstrating statement! LOL!)

>

> Teegee, it's great to see you again, too! I was feeling a bit

nervous

> about coming out of the woodwork and saying 'hi'; knowing you

> were here helped a lot.

>

> love,

> gill

> ps Eric, can I have your bonds if you don't want them? I keep

> forgetting where I put mine...

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