Guest guest Posted October 24, 2001 Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 Dear Eric, let it go. Your bonds are your own. You have chosen a path that need not be travelled, but I see you as my path also, no matter which way we choose We will arrive together. I love your wisdom and insights, but tell me, is this worth this hanging on? With much love and respect eric. Rev Charles, Dan, Jody & Friends, 1st, I agree with all the various insights quoted above, but would like to add an observation of my own that has developed over the years since my original involvment with the demands of a Guru, in my case, Baba Muktananda. As it refers to effects that tend to accompagny "serious" sadhana, or the conscious acceptance of the results of ultimate or penultimate initiation, it may not have much value for Rev Charles, with his obvious responsibility to craft something of more general value for his parishioners. All sadhanas, in my observation, contain demands that both point to a position as it would be experienced if one were at the point of "cause", or final Enlightenment, as well as serving as an exercize in the expression of one's commitment in the face of being subject to the increasing pressure of one's karma (usually negative) that immersion in serious sadhana always brings in it's wake. Examples of this rigorous discipline can be found not only in the quote from Jesus about anxiety, which the disciple will experience in any case, but also in his admonition to be as the "lilies in the fields. who toil not, etc. We are not "the lilies in the fields", nor even like them in our ability to sustain nourishment by merely passively existing, nor can our imitation of their example serve us without also serving up a healthy dollop of this same anxiety that wse are urged to give up. "Turn the other cheek" falls into this same category. It suggests an enlightened response, but it is also an extremely unreasonable and anxiety provoking challenge to the personal needs of a realistic person. It takes a position on negative karma ( the original confrontation ) and then, ups the ante, so to speak. It's my firm belief, my findings, really, that all intense "short paths" contain self contradictory demands like these. Just consider the trials of Naropa or Milarepa in the Tibetan Tantric tradition. Extreme disciples, but also extreme "achievers" or saints, have always faced these kinds of direct challenge to the normal need to protect and nourish the personal existence. In Sufism, we can look to any number of renunciates like Hallaj with his insistence on "an al Haq", that I am the reality (Allah), in the face of mercilessly Dualistic jurists and Mullahs (who subsequently crucified him), or Rabia's powerful, but equally dangerous and provocative statements of Monism in the face of both sexist and dualist leaders of the Islamic faith. In that ultimately sexist society, she was given to point out in answer to one challenge about her conduct in the face of men, her "superiors", that in the intensity of her belief in Islam, she saw no "men", but rather all were women in the presence of Allah. She has been handed down to us by this most extreme expression of Dualistic sexism (the Islamic tradition), as a woman who personified God's harsh judgments of the male saints who frequented her company in spite of the prevailing harsh codes of conduct to which they, as well as she, were subject. Amazingly, she lived in Mecca and freely criticized the greatest saints of her age. Mirabhai and Lalleshvar in the Indian tradition were equally unmindful both of their personal images and welfare, as well as the excruciating anxiety their conduct in affirming the absolute ascendance of God and his disregard of "normal" conduct must have cost them. They contravened the rigid conventions of marriage, Brahmanism and personal propriety and image in their flagrant and personally volatile activities and socially provocative songs and poems. Do I mean that each of these Saints, or great initiates, didn't finally arrive at a condition where these normal challenges to life, limb and personal image were consumed in the unitive fire of their merger with God? No, I don't. But what of the seemingly endless stages of sadhana that preceded this final union? they all had to contend with their own pass-nots of defying the conventions of society and self protection by taking on the harsh dictates of a surrender that was almost "artificial" in it's ritualistic rigor. To become a Buddha in one life, as Milarepa and Naropa attempted, or to attempt merger in their chosen form of the diety as Rabia, Mira and Lalli did, automatically entailed accepting and acting out impossible dictates from the point of view of normal integrative life. To turn to the dictates of representing Jesus without thought of food or clothing or personal welfare is yet another of these Karma intensifying demands that paradoxically, finally, bring a saint's or great disciple's personal karma to an end lifetimes before it could have reached it's natural conclusion. The rest of us accept as much of the discipline as we can, in an ongoing if sometimes painful evaluation of our personal dedication and possibilities. We try and dedicate "tomorrow" to the Lord, or the "Reality"; we try and accept and forgive the animosity that life puts in our way, even if we are unable to provoke further retaliation by "turning the other cheek". It seems likely to me that not many of us in these forums are up to this kind of dedication either, although we fill up an a good measure of our attention with spiritual development, or at least thoughts about spiritual development. To me it seems good to understand as much of the truth, the admittedly relative truth, as we can. Ultimately, I believe, though I can't prove it, that this kind of mental preparation and sadhana will bring us, in this life of the next, into the company of one who can give us the actual experience of merger, or nonduality, or God. But it is important to realize that his/her demands will surely entail just as much anxiety provoking thought and activity as the examples the Rev Charles has just quoted us, and which I've amplified with examples from other traditions. yours in the bonds, eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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