Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 .....rather than "interesting" it seems to me tragical-comical....america will go in and rebuild the country it has destroyed so that along with our former enemy and new ally Russia we can use it as the pipeline to export Russian oil to the ocean....greed makes interesting bed-fellows.....the real war against creatures wages on and very few look beneath the propaganda, i.e., we are saving the world from terrorism.....amercian capitalism and its rampant materialism will be the end of the humanity, do you think?....or, will tony blair force the US to finally sit down at the global round table and confess that it must renounce its conspicuous exploitation and consumption....who will mourn when the last grizzly, the last wolfe, the last condor passes into extinction because humanity believes itself to be the master rather than the steward of God's universe..... The Vessel "All created things cry out, each according to their manner, and say: 'This is he who abused us.' The earth says, 'Why may I not instantly suffocate him?' The air says, 'Why do I not deprive him of my benefits?' Hell says, 'Why do not my flames devour and inflict on him a thousand tortures?'" -St. Bonaventure Because we love neither the gods nor the One God, Because we honor neither the spirits nor the Great Spirit, Because we respect neither our mothers nor the Immortal Goddess, we do not love, honor or respect even ourselves. It is no wonder then that we do not know how to love Creatures. It is no wonder that having mutilated our world we seek to conquer and destroy the universe. What will happen to white wolfe when mankind is no longer? Because we cleave to the Masculine and deny the Feminine, Because we hold to the Bright and reject the Dull, Because we keep to knowledge rather than wisdom, morality instead of truth, even though we have become Creation's shining star, Our flame has shifted from blue, to white, to orange to red. We are imploding Creation and becoming its black hole. In our passion to subdue Creatures we destroy that which we would possess. What will happen to womankind when white wolfe is no longer? If we would take up our Cross and become Stewards, If we would start to walk the Middle Way, If we would follow the Masters who are our Teachers, Maybe then we just might discover the Providence that shapes our lives. Maybe then, if Fate smiles upon us, we will come to see ourselves in all Creatures. Maybe then, if our mothers and the Goddess are merciful, we will know how to Love, Honor and Respect all Creatures. Maybe then, but only then, we will remember how to live in the fragile, tender, soft universe without annihilating it. What will happen to white wolfe when mankind is no longer? When and only when we submit to the gods and the One God, When and only when we yield our spirits to the Great Spirit, When and only when we surrender as Lovers unto the Beloved, Then and only then will we know the Universe is a vessel for Spirit, Then and only then we will find the Salvation we so earnestly seek, Perhaps, at our end, then and only then, will we discover our beginning, And we will begin to cherish all Creatures in ourselves for the first time. What will happen to womankind when white wolfe is no longer? I ask you to ask yourself, What, what I ask you, do you think will happen? Will the vessel be shattered and a New Age begin? A new beginning without white wolfe and humankind? The gods and the One God are not sentimental. The Vessel belongs to Spirit not to humanity. The Vessel can be either empty or full. The Vessel can be shattered but not destroyed. Will Spirit remake the Vessel of the Universe? Will Spirit make empty the Vessel to fill it anew once more? Will Grey Wolf and Humanity no longer run in on sweet Mother Earth? Or will we turn, empty ourselves of ourselves, become simple once again, like an uncarved block once more, and allow Spirit to carve us into a glorious vase? Will we allow it to happen that white wolfe and humanity are no more? Lamb of God, who takes away of the world, have mercy on us! Mark Christopher Valentine - <IvaNewEra <thomasmerton> Friday, November 16, 2001 2:16 PM Re: [thomasmerton] God Bless America > Wayne, I agree that pages 86-87 of "Conjectures" are important - they > encapsule Merton's philosophies very well, and also contain a sensible > warning for America and our allies in this current crisis: we must work > together - "Nothing is better calculated to ruin and discredit a holy ideal > than a fratricidal war among "saints". Interesting to note that in Merton's > day our enemy was Russia, and now that has changed - Iva > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 End of humanity... do you truly believe so? Such "terror" tactics on your part,actually in response fuels those that you seek to reprimand, perhaps one should try and see all sides of the situation, instead of condemning one side with judgements. Always, Lynette - White Wolfe <valemar.1 <thomasmerton>; <>; <PerceptionsOfLife> Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:37 AM Re: [thomasmerton] God Bless America > ....rather than "interesting" it seems to me tragical-comical....america > will go in and rebuild the country it has destroyed so that along with our > former enemy and new ally Russia we can use it as the pipeline to export > Russian oil to the ocean....greed makes interesting bed-fellows.....the real > war against creatures wages on and very few look beneath the propaganda, > i.e., we are saving the world from terrorism.....amercian capitalism and its > rampant materialism will be the end of the humanity, do you think?....or, > will tony blair force the US to finally sit down at the global round table > and confess that it must renounce its conspicuous exploitation and > consumption....who will mourn when the last grizzly, the last wolfe, the > last condor passes into extinction because humanity believes itself to be > the master rather than the steward of God's universe..... > > The Vessel > > "All created things cry out, each according to their manner, and say: 'This > is he who abused us.' The earth says, 'Why may I not instantly suffocate > him?' The air says, 'Why do I not deprive him of my benefits?' Hell says, > 'Why do not my flames devour and inflict on him a thousand tortures?'" > -St. Bonaventure > > > Because we love neither the gods nor the One God, > Because we honor neither the spirits nor the Great Spirit, > Because we respect neither our mothers nor the Immortal Goddess, > we do not love, honor or respect even ourselves. > It is no wonder then that we do not know how to love Creatures. > It is no wonder that having mutilated our world > we seek to conquer and destroy the universe. > > What will happen to white wolfe when mankind is no longer? > > Because we cleave to the Masculine and deny the Feminine, > Because we hold to the Bright and reject the Dull, > Because we keep to knowledge rather than wisdom, morality instead of truth, > even though we have become Creation's shining star, > Our flame has shifted from blue, to white, to orange to red. > We are imploding Creation and becoming its black hole. > In our passion to subdue Creatures we destroy that which we would possess. > > What will happen to womankind when white wolfe is no longer? > > If we would take up our Cross and become Stewards, > If we would start to walk the Middle Way, > If we would follow the Masters who are our Teachers, > Maybe then we just might discover the Providence that shapes our lives. > Maybe then, if Fate smiles upon us, we will come to see ourselves in all > Creatures. > Maybe then, if our mothers and the Goddess are merciful, we will know how to > Love, Honor and Respect all Creatures. > Maybe then, but only then, we will remember how to live in the fragile, > tender, soft universe without annihilating it. > > What will happen to white wolfe when mankind is no longer? > > > When and only when we submit to the gods and the One God, > When and only when we yield our spirits to the Great Spirit, > When and only when we surrender as Lovers unto the Beloved, > Then and only then will we know the Universe is a vessel for Spirit, > Then and only then we will find the Salvation we so earnestly seek, > Perhaps, at our end, then and only then, will we discover our beginning, > And we will begin to cherish all Creatures in ourselves for the first time. > > What will happen to womankind when white wolfe is no longer? > > > I ask you to ask yourself, > What, what I ask you, do you think will happen? > > > Will the vessel be shattered and a New Age begin? > A new beginning without white wolfe and humankind? > The gods and the One God are not sentimental. > The Vessel belongs to Spirit not to humanity. > The Vessel can be either empty or full. > The Vessel can be shattered but not destroyed. > Will Spirit remake the Vessel of the Universe? > > Will Spirit make empty the Vessel to fill it anew once more? > Will Grey Wolf and Humanity no longer run in on sweet Mother Earth? > > Or will we turn, empty ourselves of ourselves, become simple once again, > like an uncarved block once more, and allow Spirit to carve us into a > glorious vase? > > Will we allow it to happen that white wolfe and humanity are no more? > > Lamb of God, who takes away of the world, have mercy on us! > > Mark Christopher Valentine > > > - > <IvaNewEra > <thomasmerton> > Friday, November 16, 2001 2:16 PM > Re: [thomasmerton] God Bless America > > > > Wayne, I agree that pages 86-87 of "Conjectures" are important - they > > encapsule Merton's philosophies very well, and also contain a sensible > > warning for America and our allies in this current crisis: we must work > > together - "Nothing is better calculated to ruin and discredit a holy > ideal > > than a fratricidal war among "saints". Interesting to note that in > Merton's > > day our enemy was Russia, and now that has changed - Iva > > > > > > "Christ came on earth to form contemplatives" Thomas Merton > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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