Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 In a message dated 11/21/01 11:35:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, valemar.1 writes: << ....rather than "interesting" it seems to me tragical-comical....america will go in and rebuild the country it has destroyed so that along with our former enemy and new ally Russia we can use it as the pipeline to export Russian oil to the ocean....greed makes interesting bed-fellows.....the real war against creatures wages on and very few look beneath the propaganda, i.e., we are saving the world from terrorism.....amercian capitalism and its rampant materialism will be the end of the humanity, do you think?....or, will tony blair force the US to finally sit down at the global round table and confess that it must renounce its conspicuous exploitation and consumption....who will mourn when the last grizzly, the last wolfe, the last condor passes into extinction because humanity believes itself to be the master rather than the steward of God's universe..... >> Well, l'm sure l've missed some lively discussions following the events of September 11. lf this post is an example of what's been said here, maybe it's just as well ... l tend to be anti-corporate and a staunch environmentalist, and l share sentiments about the over-consumption of energy resources and polution by the US. What l regret is that some (whose views l share on a good many issues) feel compelled to generalize valid criticisms into gross distortions, such as above. One needn't be blind to American excesses in order to recognize the obvious: that there is a very real war against terrorism, one that has virtually universal support. To suggest otherwise is absurd and an insult to the victims of the Sept 11 tragedy. To attempt to simplistically dumb down the current situation by saying it's all about oil and American greed is far more propagandistic than anything l've heard jingoistic flag wavers say. lt might be acknowledged that rampant materialism and its unfortunate byproducts are hardly limited to the US. A close friend who just returned from China lamented to me that polution there was infinitely worse than anything he'd ever seen in Los Angeles. So, it can be argued that the Kyoto approach of exempting countries like China was flawed, but yes, l too hope to see an improved attitude on the part of the administration. America (and other industrialized countries) has contributed its share to the ills of the planet, and the current global situation is terribly worrisome. But our democratic traditions and institutions are also in place and remain the best bet to address these problems. ls the author of this post endorsing acts of mass terrorism/murder as the solution? ls Saddam Hussein (who managed to set fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields) your ideal steward of the planet? Radical actions may indeed some day be necessary in order to save this planet from itself. But terroism supported by militant lslamic fundamentalism is not the answer. lt has truly become a global menace that must be stopped. We are entering into a time that requires discrimination and courage, not irresponsible radical chic. jerrysan rinpoche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 I did have a further thought to add to this below... Well stated, by the way, Jerry And Welcome,I dont believe I know you.. I'm Lynette After my reply earlier, and a nice long soak in my favorite tub of lavendar water... I had the thought..... Materialism, while can be a destructive pasttime if one is addicted to materialism, is also an indication of social growth... The more one buys, the more jobs created, the more consumption, the greater the economy.. There is nothing wrong with a strong healthy economy where jobs are provided. It also is an indication of our potential... Look at how far the "information" society has gone with the internet... Consumption is part of the world at this point in our history I also wanted to stated... That as Jerry stated below... Whatever mistakes {and I say that lightly} the the USA have made in the past, we still cannot roll over and play the dog for terrorist... What is done is done, and the place we are in, is the place we are in... Also, all countries, regardless of their religion, creed, or race, do things, and have done things throughout history in THEIR OWN BEST INTERESTS.. This is a fact of life... And will remain so... Okay, now that I'm done being on my soap box about this event...Because truly I have nothing more to say... Back to what I love doing, and that is writing... Night all Love to you, and sweet dreams to all Hugs, Lynette - { <GCWein1111 <> Friday, November 23, 2001 11:52 AM Re: God Bless America? > In a message dated 11/21/01 11:35:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, > valemar.1 writes: > > << > ....rather than "interesting" it seems to me tragical-comical....america > will go in and rebuild the country it has destroyed so that along with our > former enemy and new ally Russia we can use it as the pipeline to export > Russian oil to the ocean....greed makes interesting bed-fellows.....the r eal > war against creatures wages on and very few look beneath the propaganda, > i.e., we are saving the world from terrorism.....amercian capitalism and its > rampant materialism will be the end of the humanity, do you think?....or, > will tony blair force the US to finally sit down at the global round table > and confess that it must renounce its conspicuous exploitation and > consumption....who will mourn when the last grizzly, the last wolfe, the > last condor passes into extinction because humanity believes itself to be > the master rather than the steward of God's universe..... > >> > > Well, l'm sure l've missed some lively discussions following the events > of September 11. lf this post is an example of what's been said here, maybe > it's just as well ... > > l tend to be anti-corporate and a staunch > environmentalist, and l share sentiments about the over-consumption of energy > resources and polution by the US. What l regret is that some (whose views l > share on a good many issues) feel compelled to generalize valid criticisms > into gross distortions, such as above. > One needn't be blind to > American excesses in order to recognize the obvious: that there is a very > real war against terrorism, one that has virtually universal support. To > suggest otherwise is absurd and an insult to the victims of the Sept 11 > tragedy. To attempt to simplistically dumb down the current situation by > saying it's all about oil and American greed is far more propagandistic than > anything l've heard jingoistic flag wavers say. > > lt might be acknowledged that rampant > materialism and its unfortunate byproducts are hardly limited to the US. A > close friend who just returned from China lamented to me that polution there > was infinitely worse than anything he'd ever seen in Los Angeles. So, it can > be argued that the Kyoto approach of exempting countries like China was > flawed, but yes, l too hope to see an improved attitude on the part of the > administration. > > America (and other industrialized countries) has contributed its share to the > ills of the planet, and the current global situation is terribly worrisome. > But our democratic traditions and institutions are also in place and remain > the best bet to address these problems. ls the author of this post endorsing > acts of mass terrorism/murder as the solution? ls Saddam Hussein (who managed > to set fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields) your ideal steward of the planet? > > Radical actions may indeed some day be necessary in > order to save this planet from itself. But terroism supported by militant > lslamic fundamentalism is not the answer. lt has truly become a global menace > that must be stopped. We are entering into a time that requires > discrimination and courage, not irresponsible radical chic. > > jerrysan rinpoche > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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