Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg wrote: ºHi Everyone: º ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling in ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound? That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't fall" Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just one nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! <[]> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote: > > ºHi Everyone: > º > ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling in > ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound? > > That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't fall" > Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just one > nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all > That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! > > . The face says it all. <[]>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 On 11/25/01 at 11:28 PM bgbbyg wrote: º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote: º> º> ºHi Everyone: º> º º> ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling ºin º> ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound? º> º> That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree ºwouldn't fall" º> Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no ºentities, just one º> nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens ºat all º> That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! º> º> º º . The face says it all. <[]>. For an artist, yes... For a philosopher, probably not so... And that makes all the difference. Why "act" through the "interface" of a judge to "mere tricks" instead of enjoying a unique opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > > On 11/25/01 at 11:28 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote: > > º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > º> On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote: > º> > º> ºHi Everyone: > º> º > º> ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling > ºin > º> ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound? > º> > º> That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree > ºwouldn't fall" > º> Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no > ºentities, just one > º> nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens > ºat all > º> That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! > º> > º> > º > º . The face says it all. <[]>. > > For an artist, yes... For a philosopher, probably not so... > And that makes all the difference. Why "act" through the > "interface" of a judge to "mere tricks" instead of enjoying > a unique opportunity? Good advice for all philosophers and judges. Artists have the tendency to enjoy as do hikers (haikuers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 perhaps the 'emptiest mental concept' that there is nothing here is the one of the philosophical non-dualist who walks around in denial of reality as it is and hence physical, intellectual, moral or spiritual responsibility for our existence.....advaita is a late and mature development of vedanta and can only truly be understood in that context.....to arise at the place of the 'witness' is to arrive at the recognition that the self is an illusion in that all things have existence through interbeing.....to deny that something it or is not it has to have existence in the first place.....the mental concept, 'i am an ego' is what is empty....trees are falling in the rainforest at an alarming rate.....it we continue to deny our impact on reality there really we be no one we in the sense of consciousness as we have arisen to understand it..... ^^~~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe - "jb" <kvy9 <NondualitySalon> Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:34 PM Re: [NDS] Tree in forest On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg wrote: ºHi Everyone: º ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling in ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound? That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't fall" Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just one nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! <[]> /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 >That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't fall">Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just one>nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all >That is seems different, certainly looks like magic! Well, Yes, Consciousness can be magical. In the early part of the 20th century as science progressed toward a better understanding of the material world, the picture that emerged from the investigation of the smallest constituents of matter was very puzzling. At the level of our senses the world seams to be real and objects normally behave the way we expect them to. But when scientists tried to understand what matter is made of, they made a strange discovery. The smallest building block of matter is the atom, which itself is made of fundamental particles. These particles do not obey the classical laws of physics, so a new set of laws had to be formulated and this is what we call Quantum Mechanics. What this theory teaches us is that matter does not really exist! Scientists have found that particles of matter are potentialities that become actuality only when we observe them. In other words there is a direct link between our consciousness of them and the manifestation of their existence. Some particles pop out of nothing and immediately return to the vacuum of space. This is why they call them virtual particles. Yet if they did not "exist" there would be no exchange of energy in the universe. So they exist and they exist not. What allows them to exist and not exist, at the same time, is the haziness that permeates the quantum world. There is even a mathematical law to express that haziness and it is called the Uncertainty Principal. This principal puts a limit to what we can know about the outside world. For example if we want to know where a particle is, we will not be able to know it's momentum, or vice versa, if we want to know it's momentum we won't be able to ascertain it's position. In other words, we have to make a choice, because we can't know both at the same time. This new insight about matter was developed at the beginning of the twentieth century at approximately the same time Einstein came out with his Theory of Relativity which demonstrated that space and time were not absolute references but that space could expand or contract, and that time could slow down or run faster. What both theories made us aware of is that our senses give us the illusion of a "reality" and that an other "reality" can be devised by our mind alone. Regards Steve Kalec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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