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On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg wrote:

 

ºHi Everyone:

º

ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling in

ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

 

That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't fall"

Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just one

nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all :)

That is seems different, certainly looks like magic!

 

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, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote:

>

> ºHi Everyone:

> º

> ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling

in

> ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

>

> That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree

wouldn't fall"

> Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no

entities, just one

> nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens

at all :)

> That is seems different, certainly looks like magic!

>

>

 

. The face says it all. <[^_^]>.

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On 11/25/01 at 11:28 PM bgbbyg wrote:

 

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º> On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote:

º>

º> ºHi Everyone:

º> º

º> ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling

ºin

º> ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

º>

º> That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree

ºwouldn't fall"

º> Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no

ºentities, just one

º> nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens

ºat all :)

º> That is seems different, certainly looks like magic!

º>

º>

º

º . The face says it all. <[^_^]>.

 

For an artist, yes... For a philosopher, probably not so...

And that makes all the difference. Why "act" through the

"interface" of a judge to "mere tricks" instead of enjoying

a unique opportunity?

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, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

>

> On 11/25/01 at 11:28 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote:

>

> º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> º> On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg@a... wrote:

> º>

> º> ºHi Everyone:

> º> º

> º> ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree

falling

> ºin

> º> ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

> º>

> º> That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree

> ºwouldn't fall"

> º> Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no

> ºentities, just one

> º> nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing

happens

> ºat all :)

> º> That is seems different, certainly looks like magic!

> º>

> º>

> º

> º . The face says it all. <[^_^]>.

>

> For an artist, yes... For a philosopher, probably not so...

> And that makes all the difference. Why "act" through the

> "interface" of a judge to "mere tricks" instead of enjoying

> a unique opportunity?

 

Good advice for all philosophers and judges. Artists have the

tendency to enjoy as do hikers (haikuers).

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perhaps the 'emptiest mental concept' that there is nothing here is the one

of the philosophical non-dualist who walks around in denial of reality as it

is and hence physical, intellectual, moral or spiritual responsibility for

our existence.....advaita is a late and mature development of vedanta and

can only truly be understood in that context.....to arise at the place of

the 'witness' is to arrive at the recognition that the self is an illusion

in that all things have existence through interbeing.....to deny that

something it or is not it has to have existence in the first place.....the

mental concept, 'i am an ego' is what is empty....trees are falling in the

rainforest at an alarming rate.....it we continue to deny our impact on

reality there really we be no one we in the sense of consciousness as we

have arisen to understand it..... ^^~~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe

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"jb" <kvy9

<NondualitySalon>

Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:34 PM

Re: [NDS] Tree in forest

 

 

On 11/25/01 at 5:07 PM bgbbyg wrote:

 

ºHi Everyone:

º

ºA few days ago there was a short exchange about the tree falling in

ºthe forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

 

That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree wouldn't

fall"

Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there are no entities, just

one

nobody which is neither here nor there but nowhere, nothing happens at all

:)

That is seems different, certainly looks like magic!

 

<[^_^]>

 

 

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

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>That kind of logic summarizes to: "With no one around, the tree

wouldn't fall">Which can be extrapolated to all events. And as there

are no entities, just one>nobody which is neither here nor there but

nowhere, nothing happens at all :)>That is seems different, certainly

looks like magic! Well, Yes, Consciousness can be magical. In the

early part of the 20th century as science progressed toward a

better

understanding of the material world, the picture

that emerged from

the investigation of the smallest constituents of

matter was very puzzling.

At the level of our senses the world seams to be real and objects normally behave

the way we expect them to. But when scientists tried to understand

what matter

is made of, they made a strange discovery. The smallest

building block of matter is the atom, which itself is made of

fundamental

particles. These particles do not obey the classical laws of

physics, so a new set of

laws had to be formulated and this is what we call Quantum

Mechanics. What this

theory teaches us is that matter does not really exist! Scientists

have found that particles of

matter are potentialities that become actuality only when we observe

them. In other

words there is a direct link between our consciousness

of them and the

manifestation of their existence. Some particles pop out of

nothing and immediately return to the vacuum of space. This is

why they call them virtual particles. Yet if they did not "exist"

there would be no exchange

of energy in the universe. So they exist and they exist not. What allows them to exist and not

exist, at the same time, is the haziness that permeates the

quantum world. There is even a

mathematical law to express that haziness and it is called the

Uncertainty Principal. This

principal puts a limit to what we can know about the outside

world. For example if we

want to know where a particle is, we will not be able to know it's

momentum, or vice

versa, if we want to know it's momentum we won't be able to

ascertain it's position.

In other words, we have to make a choice, because we can't know

both at the same time. This new insight about matter was

developed at the beginning of the twentieth century

at approximately the same time Einstein came out with his Theory of

Relativity which

demonstrated that space and time were not absolute references but

that space could

expand or contract, and that time could slow down or run faster. What both theories made

us aware of is that our senses give us the illusion of a "reality"

and that an other "reality"

can be devised by our mind alone.

 

Regards

Steve Kalec

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