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In a message dated 11/29/01 12:49:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

deva writes:

 

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My own ancestor, Chief Joseph Brant (Thayendanegea), was educated by

Sir William Johnston, who married Brant's sister Molly. (The Mohawks

were Christianized early and then all had two names - one was the

Christian name - an English name, of course.)

>>

 

Thank you for the fascinating history, Dharma, and for, as always, your

clear and thoughtful voice. Hey, wish l had some lndian blood in me. :))

 

love,

jerry

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Jerry & Friends,

 

"The only good indian is a dead indian." Sure sounds like a

prescription for genocide to me.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

, GCWein1111@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/26/01 5:00:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

editor@j...

> writes

>

> There was *far* more to the

> government-sponsored genocide

> than disease, although I'm

> sure that was a major

factor.

>

>

> Not "A" major factor, Bruce. Disease was THE major factor -- BY

FAR.

> Your use of the word genocide is entirely wrong, in that it refers

to a

> systematic killing of a people. There was no program by the US

government in

> the 1800s to kill off all the Native Americans. The program was, as

you know,

> to take as much of the land as possible, and if Natives were there,

too bad

> for them. And yes, they were subsequently persecuted culturally and

> spiritually as well. This was all bad enough, but it was not

genocide. We've

> seen enough cases of true genocide in this century to know what it

really is.

>

>

> On that we disagree. There

> is a *huge* commonality that

> can be learned from, if we're

> not too offhandedly

>

dismissive.

>

> Who's being dismissive? Not me. l've long felt deeply about

what

> happened to Native Americans. l say it has nothing to do with what

happened

> on Sept 11.

>

>

> I think the malaise to which

> both historical facts point

> is very much the same: the

> dehumanization of ones

> perceived foe in the name of

> a deeply held belief in the

> unconditional righteousness

> of ones cause under the

> auspices of a "the end

> justifies the means" sort of

> mentality. Many nineteenth

> century Americans believed

> in the superiority of their

> way of life and its destiny

> to prevail by the grace of

> God, as do Bin Laden and

> those who follow and/or

> support him.

>

>

> Yes, out of both arrogance and ignorance 19th century Americans

> shamefully took from Native Americans. They were hardly alone. lt

happened to

> the native inhabitants of Mexico, South America, Africa, Australia

and other

> places at the hands of European powers. How many indigenous

cultures have

> survived on this planet, Bruce? Not many. lt's a shame. But that's

what the

> world was like in past centuries. That doesn't justify what was

done here,

> but that's what the world was then. There was no United Nations.

There were

> no Human Rights committees. There was hardly what would now pass

for

> civilization. You use fuzzy words like *commonality* and misuse

the word

> *genocide* in trying to link what was done by people from a bygone

era to the

> acts of fundamentalist, hate filled fanatics who have shown a

desire to kill

> endllessly in order to achieve a goal of global warfare between

lslam and

> the west. l find that a most unfortunate and untenable exercise.

>

> jerry

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Hi Jerry,

 

<<

My own ancestor, Chief Joseph Brant (Thayendanegea), was educated by

Sir William Johnston, who married Brant's sister Molly. (The Mohawks

were Christianized early and then all had two names - one was the

Christian name - an English name, of course.)

>>

> Thank you for the fascinating history, Dharma, and for, as always, your

clear and thoughtful voice. Hey, wish l had some lndian blood in me. :))

 

Well, You never know, Jerry! :))) Another of my ancestors is a woman

with the last name of Cornflower or something similar. I have to

wonder about her too. :)

 

When I was a kid, my Dad mentioned the chief somethimes, but he said

he didn't know why an Indian would be called Chief Brant - so he

wondered if he might have been a white trader who was just called

that. It wasn't until I looked into Iroquois history that I found

out who he was and why he had an English name. :)

 

Love,

Dharma

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