Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Dear Bruce, Don't know if you've managed to get through my last post, but in hindsight l feel at least one thing needs clarification. l mentioned feeling irritated, resentful and at one point referred to bad manners and insensitivity. l'm not going to try to explain or justify these statements now -- only to say that l don't want this to be taken personally. You've been very courteous, and although l'm coming from a much different place personally and in my perspective, l owe you the same. Hope you haven't been offended. jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Hi, Jerry -- You expended a lot of time and energy on that long post and it's clear something about (the specialness or uniqueness of?) 9/11 is very important to you. You weren't on-list back then, but my sister came very close to widowhood on that day and I took it pretty hard myself. I'm not going to refute you point by point this time around, but instead simply reiterate that there is something to be learned from the commonality between modern-day terrorism and what went on back in the day between Euro- and Native Americans. Unlike the (imo) obvious differences which you have been emphasizing, the commonality you mock is something we as ordinary human incarnates can act upon when we notice something akin to it occuring -- as a matter of fact such in-the-moment observation of an inveterate human tendency *is* action. It's very easy to see what used to be called "Man's inhumanity to Man" in some blatantly murderous fanatic from an alien culture, so much harder to face it when it arises in well-intentioned folks like me and thee. With Terence, I simply say "I am human, nothing human is alien to me." I know self- righteousness first-hand, I have sometimes felt that the ends justify the means. at times I even harbor a sense that "God" is on "our" or "my" side -- and in that moment of clear observation I see my all-too-human commonality with the Joshuas, the Pilates, the Constantines,the Crusaders, the Inquisitors, the Custers, the Hitlers, the Pol Pots, and the Bin Ladens of the long human story. I have experienced the impulse to simply wipe our good Earth clean of all that threatens me and mine, regardless of what that incurs karmically for me, my species, and my planet. Krishnamurti often declared "I am the world" and "You are the world." Sri Walt Kelly noted in "Pogo" that "We have met the enemy and he is us!" That, my friend, is what I point to when I write of "commonality." As tough is it might be to look upon, we and Osama Bin Laden are of the same flesh, and it is perhaps only by accident(?) of birth that you and I aren't walking in his sandals -- or, for that matter, being counted among his victims -- instead of exchanging words here. There but for fortune go you or I. None of us are are actually "coming from very different places" -- we're each and every one of us here and now, because that's all there really is and that's all we can act upon. Much love -- Bruce On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:45:34 EST GCWein1111 writes: > > Dear Bruce, > > Don't know if you've managed to get through my last post, but in > > hindsight l feel at least one thing needs clarification. l mentioned > feeling > irritated, resentful and at one point referred to bad manners and > insensitivity. l'm not going to try to explain or justify these > statements > now -- only to say that l don't want this to be taken personally. > You've been > very courteous, and although l'm coming from a much different place > personally and in my perspective, l owe you the same. Hope you > haven't been offended. jerry ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 In a message dated 11/30/01 5:32:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, editor writes: << You expended a lot of time and energy on that long post and it's clear something about (the specialness or uniqueness of?) 9/11 is very important to you. You weren't on-list back then, but my sister came very close to widowhood on that day ... Yes, Bruce ... and you have expended alot of time and energy on your posts too. The events and implications of 9/11 appear to represent a watershed in world history and ARE very important to me, to many foreign governments (in addition to our own) and to others, for the reasons l articulated in my last post. Are they to you? lt doesn't appear so to me, because you've rather oddly chosen this moment as a time to belittle the present crisis by attempting to compare it unfavorably to the Native American experience. ln doing so, you've chosen to cast the Native American experience in the worst light possible, badly stretching the term genocide and ignoring any historical perspective, while at the same time referring to terrorists as having only limited objectives -- minimizing the fanatical degree of hatred they display and their clear willingness to commit any act, including the use of weapons of mass destruction. To me, your attitude is much more curious than my own. I'm not going to refute you point by point this time around, but instead simply reiterate that there is something to be learned from the commonality between modern-day terrorism and what went on back in the day between Euro- and Native Americans. Unlike the (imo) obvious differences which you have been emphasizing, the commonality you mock is something we as ordinary human incarnates can act upon when we notice something akin to it occuring -- as a matter of fact such in-the-moment observation of an inveterate human tendency *is* action. l'm not mocking commonality per se but rather your usage of it. Commonality as a concept is like anything else: it can be used to inform us or it can be used to lead us astray, depending on when and how it's applied. The timing and manner in which you've brought up the Native American experience suggested to me that your purpose was not to inform. It's very easy to see what used to be called "Man's inhumanity to Man" in some blatantly murderous fanatic from an alien culture, so much harder to face it when it arises in well-intentioned folks like me and thee. With Terence, I simply say "I am human, nothing human is alien to me." I know self- righteousness first-hand, I have sometimes felt that the ends justify the means. at times I even harbor a sense that "God" is on "our" or "my" side -- and in that moment of clear observation I see my all-too-human commonality with the Joshuas, the Pilates, the Constantines,the Crusaders, the Inquisitors, the Custers, the Hitlers, the Pol Pots, and the Bin Ladens of the long human story. I have experienced the impulse to simply wipe our good Earth clean of all that threatens me and mine, regardless of what that incurs karmically for me, my species, and my planet. And l say it is one thing to acknowledge that inhuman acts can flow from people like thee and me, quite another to therefore indiscriminately lump me and thee together with the bin Ladens and Hitlers. Of course there are murderous urges and impulses among pretty much all of us. But the difference between having a murderous thought or impulse and conducting a long term, wholesale campaign of terrorism on a mass scale is huge. Krishnamurti often declared "I am the world" and "You are the world." Sri Walt Kelly noted in "Pogo" that "We have met the enemy and he is us!" That, my friend, is what I point to when I write of "commonality." As tough is it might be to look upon, we and Osama Bin Laden are of the same flesh, and it is perhaps only by accident(?) of birth that you and I aren't walking in his sandals -- or, for that matter, being counted among his victims -- instead of exchanging words here. There but for fortune go you or I. None of us are are actually "coming from very different places" -- we're each and every one of us here and now, because that's all there really is and that's all we can act upon. Bruce, the more l hear you talk about commonality the more l think you need to find a new mantra, ha ha. Bin Laden and us of the same flesh? Okay, whatever that means. But then to say that bin Laden and l (or you) are not actually coming from very different places? You referred to him in a previous post as a fundamentalist nutbag, which he is, in addition to being a murderous sociopath. ls that where you're "coming from" too? Not me. Why did bin Laden become a sociopathic nutbag? There's obviously no way to answer that -- it could involve karma from past lives or any number of things we can't know about, but the statement that but for fortune or accident of birth any of us could be bin Laden sounds, uh ....reeaall questionable to me. There is only one bin Laden (although many followers), and l think we can trust it didn't happen by accident of birth or by some arbitrary fortune. l suspect that a very big reason why we're able to "exchange words here" is because of the efforts and sacrifices of policemen, firemen, servicemen and ordinary people who never heard of Krishnamurti but who had simple faith, dedication to duty and common sense -- something l trust more than spiritual axioms. jerrysan rinpoche >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:51:03 EST GCWein1111 writes: > In a message dated 11/30/01 5:32:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > editor > writes: > > << > > You expended a lot of time and > energy on that long post and > it's clear something about (the > specialness or uniqueness of?) > 9/11 is very important to you. > You weren't on-list back then, > but my sister came very close > to widowhood on that day ... > > > > Yes, Bruce ... and you have expended alot of time and energy > on your posts too. Thanks for the acknowledgement. >The events and implications of 9/11 appear to represent > a watershed in world history Really? Why, because this country has been pretty much immune to events of similar scale (if not swiftness and technological means) that have been happening for centuries in Europe, Asia, and Africa? 9/11 may well encompass a new bottle, but it is *very* old wine! > and ARE very important to me, to many foreign > governments (in addition to our own) and to others, for the reasons > l articulated in my last post. > True enough. By all means, let us "Render unto Caesar." > Are they to you? Of course they are, pardon me if I don't emphasize the already expounded-into-the- ground obvious! > lt doesn't appear so to me, Well, thanks for sharing how it appears to you. > because you've rather oddly chosen this moment as a time to > belittle the present crisis by attempting to compare it unfavorably > to the Native American experience. In terms of the number of lives directly affected and its detrimental effect on the culture under attack, "the Native American experience" dwarfs 9/11. Period. Obviously, in terms of swiftness and utter shock, 9/11 *was* quite unique, but in terms scale and ultimate effect, it was pretty much business as usual for this species and planet over the past few centuries. > ln doing so, you've chosen to cast the Native > American experience in the worst light possible, badly stretching > the term genocide and ignoring any historical perspective, Not true at all. > while at the same > time referring to terrorists as having only limited objectives -- I qualified that very carefully, Jerry, noting that those were the *stated* objectives and that I did not trust the statements or the stater(s). > minimizing the > fanatical degree of hatred they display and their clear willingness > to commit > any act, including the use of weapons of mass destruction. To me, > your attitude is much more curious than my own. OK, opinion noted. > > I'm not going to refute you > point by point this time > around, but instead simply > reiterate that there is > something to be learned from > the commonality between > modern-day terrorism and what > went on back in the day > between Euro- and Native > Americans. Unlike the (imo) > obvious differences which you > have been emphasizing, the > commonality you mock is > something we as ordinary > human incarnates can act upon > when we notice something akin > to it occuring -- as a matter > of fact such in-the-moment > observation of an inveterate > human tendency *is* action. > > > l'm not mocking commonality per se but rather your usage of it. Thanks for the clarification. > > Commonality as a concept is like anything else: it can be used to > inform us > or it can be used to lead us astray, depending on when and how it's > applied. > The timing and manner in which you've brought up the Native American > experience suggested to me that your purpose was not to inform. > The suggestion you've inferred here is incorrect. > > It's very easy to see what > used to be called "Man's > inhumanity to Man" in some > blatantly murderous fanatic > from an alien culture, so > much harder to face it when > it arises in well-intentioned > folks like me and thee. With > Terence, I simply say "I am > human, nothing human is alien > to me." I know self- > righteousness first-hand, I > have sometimes felt that the > ends justify the means. at > times I even harbor a sense > that "God" is on "our" or "my" > side -- and in that moment of > clear observation I see my > all-too-human commonality with > the Joshuas, the Pilates, the > Constantines,the Crusaders, the > Inquisitors, the Custers, the > Hitlers, the Pol Pots, and the > Bin Ladens of the long human > story. I have experienced the > impulse to simply wipe our > good Earth clean of all that > threatens me and mine, > regardless of what that incurs > karmically for me, my species, > and my planet. > > And l say it is one thing to acknowledge that inhuman acts can flow > from > people like thee and me, quite another to therefore indiscriminately > lump me and thee together with the bin Ladens and Hitlers. The human genome includes the potential to be a bin Laden or a Hitler, albeit usually on a far smaller scale -- me and thee included. > Of course there are > murderous urges and impulses among pretty much all of us. ....and then there are the attitudes and emotions that underlie such "urges and impulses" and are acted out every day in less obviously and overtly destructive ways. > > But the difference between having a murderous thought or impulse and > conducting a > long term, wholesale campaign of terrorism on a mass scale is huge. > ....and obvious, so why bother expounding at length about it? > > > Krishnamurti often declared "I > am the world" and "You are the > world." Sri Walt Kelly noted > in "Pogo" that "We have met the > enemy and he is us!" That, my > friend, is what I point to when > I write of "commonality." As > tough is it might be to look > upon, we and Osama Bin Laden > are of the same flesh, and it > is perhaps only by accident(?) > of birth that you and I aren't > walking in his sandals -- or, > for that matter, being counted > among his victims -- instead > of exchanging words here. > > > There but for fortune go you or > I. None of us are are actually > "coming from very different > places" -- we're each and every > one of us here and now, because > that's all there really is and > that's all we can act upon. > > Bruce, the more l hear you talk about commonality the more l > think you need to find a new mantra, ha ha. Implied suggestion noted, thanks. :-) > Bin Laden and us of the same flesh? Okay, > whatever that means. It means we are all human, with all that implies -- including the potential for atrocity. > But then to say that bin Laden and l (or you) are not > actually coming from very different places? You referred to him in > a previous post as a fundamentalist nutbag, which he is, in addition > to being a > murderous sociopath. ls that where you're "coming from" too? Not me. > We all carry with us the potential for "nutbag" behavior, murder, sociopathy. Most of us do not get to the point of "coming from" such acts, but it wouldn't take much of a change in circumstances -- upbringing, a slight genetic twist, an accidental meeting with a charismatic influence -- for that potential to manifest. Dealing with the bin Laden at large in the world is something we can pay and thank others to do, dealing with the bin Laden in each of us is something we must do alone. > > > Why did bin Laden > become a > sociopathic nutbag? There's obviously no way to answer that -- it > could > involve karma from past lives or any number of things we can't know > about, > but the statement that but for fortune or accident of birth any of > us could be bin Laden sounds, uh ....reeaall questionable to me. You're nitpicking, Jerry. If you don't face down that inner bin Laden, it's more likely to bite you in the ass when you least expect it (no, I don't mean you personally). The one who believes himself so different that s/he's immune is the most vulnerable. What is "karma from past lives or any number of things" but an accident of birth, at least as far as we can tell? Do you think bin Laden chose his genome, his upbringing, his religion? As far as can be seen, all these were beyond his control! > There is only one bin > Laden Psychologically, he is *legion*. > (although many followers), and l think we can trust it didn't > happen by accident of birth or by some arbitrary fortune. > I don't "think we can trust" any such thing! > > > l suspect that a very big reason why we're able to "exchange > words > here" is because of the efforts and sacrifices of policemen, > firemen, > servicemen and ordinary people who never heard of Krishnamurti but > who had > simple faith, dedication to duty and common sense -- something l > trust more than spiritual axioms. > I think those folks have gotten more than their due at this point. They signed on for a dangerous job, did it under extraordinary circumstances, and hundreds of their families paid the price. My heart goes out to the thousands of people whose families paid a price that wasn't implicit in their loved ones' terms of employment. I don't see any conflict between appreciating "dedication to duty and common sense" and facing that within us that, if made manifest by will or fate, is atrocity. > > jerrysan > rinpoche > Much love -- Bruce http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2001 Report Share Posted December 2, 2001 In a message dated 11/30/01 6:18:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, editor writes >The events and implications of 9/11 appear to represent > a watershed in world history Really? Why, because this country has been pretty much immune to events of similar scale (if not swiftness and technological means) that have been happening for centuries in Europe, Asia, and Africa? 9/11 may well encompass a new bottle, but it is *very* old wine! lt's too early to be certain of just how great the impact of 9/11 will be -- it may not turn out to be as great as has appeared at times -- but simply calling it old wine in a new bottle? Yes, of course, if you choose to look at it as simply one more slaughter -- they're hardly new on this planet. But it was an act of terrorism unlike any that proceeded it, and if one considers only the marked change it's having on global relationships (our relationship with Russia and other countries throughout the Muslim world), it's having started a war which will almost certainly not stop with Afghanistan, its considerable effect in the way both the US and other countries are approaching terrorism ....Yes, l think it's a watershed event with obvious global repercussions, the extent to which we don't yet know. > and ARE very important to me, to many foreign > governments (in addition to our own) and to others, for the reasons > l articulated in my last post. > True enough. By all means, let us "Render unto Caesar." Render unto Caesar?? Why Bruce, aren't we being just a bit cynical here? > Are they to you? Of course they are, pardon me if I don't emphasize the already expounded-into-the- ground obvious! Hmmm ... yes, the points favorable to the US (the ones you don't like to acknowledge) are the OBVIOUS ones -- of course,you only emphasize the more subtle points, except that ..... In terms of the number of lives directly affected and its detrimental effect on the culture under attack, "the Native American experience" dwarfs 9/11. Period. Obviously, in terms of swiftness and utter shock, 9/11 *was* quite unique, but in terms scale and ultimate effect, it was pretty much business as usual for this species and planet over the past few centuries. Yes, what could be more OBVIOUS than the fact that the Native American tragedy, which occurred over a period exceeding a century, does indeed dwarf what happened on a single day? lt was so OBVIOUS, Bruce, that one can only wonder why you harped on it in the first place? Why bother, given how much disdain you have for the OBVIOUS? The human genome includes the potential to be a bin Laden or a Hitler, albeit usually on a far smaller scale -- me and thee included. Uh, ..... emphasizing the words FAR SMALLER , We all carry with us the potential for "nutbag" behavior, murder, sociopathy. Most of us do not get to the point of "coming from" such acts, but it wouldn't take much of a change in circumstances -- upbringing, a slight genetic twist, an accidental meeting with a charismatic influence -- for that potential to manifest. Dealing with the bin Laden at large in the world is something we can pay and thank others to do, dealing with the bin Laden in each of us is something we must do alone. Bruce, first of all, our disagreement from the beginning has NOT been over how bin Laden got to be bin Laden. Our disagreement was over comparing acts committed by bin Laden to acts committed by early Americans, taking bin Laden AS HE IS. Beyond that, your discussion of how bin Laden got to be bin Laden and what separates him from the rest of us appears sloppy and misguided. Your statement that we are all inchoate bin Ladens, needing only to be triggered by a small change in circumstance, an accidental meeting with a charismatic figure, is plain wrong. To state that a murderous sociopath is created so easily is a gross distortion. With that you lump together a "slight genetic twist" as another cause. Well, sure, we're all only a couple genomes away from being chimpanzees .... You're nitpicking, Jerry. If you don't face down that inner bin Laden, it's more likely to bite you in the ass when you least expect it (no, I don't mean you personally). The one who believes himself so different that s/he's immune is the most vulnerable. Ah yes, lt is most generous of you, Bruce, to make a departure from our debate in order to pursue a higher purpose, to save me from becoming a bin Laden MYSELF!!! No doubt you're right, since l believe myself so different from bin Laden l'm uniquely vulnerable. This is such a timely warning on your part, because as l was standing before a mirror last night l noticed my features beginning to change: a beard starting to grow, a turban starting to sprout from my crown -- sure enough, my Dr Jeckyl facade was crumbling and Mr Hyde began to take over! Well, actually, that turned out to be a nightmare. l awoke to find that l was still the same mediocrity who's managed to live 50 plus years in peace with my neighbors, rarely straying far from my garden. Guess you're right: the profile of a terrorist. Much love -- Bruce >> Much Balance and Reason, jerrysan rinpoche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 In a message dated 12/3/01 10:09:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, editor writes: << Thanks for the private e-mail, Jerry, I think at this point we can put this issue to rest -- we really agree much more than we disagree, although at times that hasn't been very apparent. You might be interested in an article in Sunday's New York Times Magazine on this issue, and no, the author and I are not personally acquainted. :-) Much love -- Bruce >> Thank you, Bruce. Yes, l think you're right. We probably vote for the same people and hold a common position on most issues. l think we just got off on the wrong foot in our discussion and got locked into arguing different perspectives. lt's been a stressful time for me, which l'm afraid didn't help the tone. l'll try to get a look at the NY Times article. love, jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 Thanks for the private e-mail, Jerry, I think at this point we can put this issue to rest -- we really agree much more than we disagree, although at times that hasn't been very apparent. You might be interested in an article in Sunday's New York Times Magazine on this issue, and no, the author and I are not personally acquainted. :-) Much love -- Bruce On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:22:48 EST GCWein1111 writes: > In a message dated 11/30/01 6:18:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, > editor > writes > > >The events and implications of 9/11 appear to represent > > a watershed in world history > > Really? Why, because this > country has been pretty much > immune to events of similar > scale (if not swiftness and > technological means) that > have been happening for > centuries in Europe, Asia, > and Africa? 9/11 may well > encompass a new bottle, but > it is *very* old wine! > > lt's too early to be certain of just how great the impact of > 9/11 will be > -- it may not turn out to be as great as has appeared at times -- > but simply > calling it old wine in a new bottle? Yes, of course, if you choose > to look at > it as simply one more slaughter -- they're hardly new on this > planet. But it > was an act of terrorism unlike any that proceeded it, and if one > considers > only the marked change it's having on global relationships (our > relationship > with Russia and other countries throughout the Muslim world), it's > having > started a war which will almost certainly not stop with Afghanistan, > its > considerable effect in the way both the US and other countries are > approaching terrorism ....Yes, l think it's a watershed event with > obvious > global repercussions, the extent to which we don't yet know. > > > > > > and ARE very important to me, to many foreign > > governments (in addition to our own) and to others, for the > reasons > > l articulated in my last post. > > > > True enough. By all means, > let us "Render unto Caesar." > > > > > Render unto Caesar?? Why Bruce, aren't we being just a bit > cynical here? > > > > > > Are they to you? > > Of course they are, pardon > me if I don't emphasize the > already expounded-into-the- > ground obvious! > > Hmmm ... yes, the points favorable to the US (the ones you don't > like to > acknowledge) are the OBVIOUS ones -- of course,you only emphasize > the more > subtle points, except that ..... > > In terms of the number of > lives directly affected and > its detrimental effect on > the culture under attack, > "the Native American > experience" dwarfs 9/11. > Period. Obviously, in > terms of swiftness and > utter shock, 9/11 *was* > quite unique, but in terms > scale and ultimate effect, > it was pretty much business > as usual for this species > and planet over the past > few centuries. > > > Yes, what could be more OBVIOUS than the fact that the Native > American > tragedy, which occurred over a period exceeding a century, does > indeed dwarf > what happened on a single day? lt was so OBVIOUS, Bruce, that one > can only > wonder why you harped on it in the first place? Why bother, given > how much > disdain you have for the OBVIOUS? > > > > The human genome includes the > potential to be a bin Laden > or a Hitler, albeit usually > on a far smaller scale -- me > and thee included. > > Uh, ..... emphasizing the words FAR SMALLER > > > , > We all carry with us the > potential for "nutbag" behavior, > murder, sociopathy. Most of us > do not get to the point of > "coming from" such acts, but it > wouldn't take much of a change > in circumstances -- upbringing, > a slight genetic twist, an > accidental meeting with a > charismatic influence -- for > that potential to manifest. > Dealing with the bin Laden at > large in the world is something > we can pay and thank others to > do, dealing with the bin Laden > in each of us is something we > must do alone. > > Bruce, first of all, our disagreement from the beginning has NOT > been over > how bin Laden got to be bin Laden. Our disagreement was over > comparing acts > committed by bin Laden to acts committed by early Americans, taking > bin Laden > AS HE IS. Beyond that, your discussion of how bin Laden got to be > bin Laden > and what separates him from the rest of us appears sloppy and > misguided. Your > statement that we are all inchoate bin Ladens, needing only to be > triggered > by a small change in circumstance, an accidental meeting with a > charismatic > figure, is plain wrong. To state that a murderous sociopath is > created so > easily is a gross distortion. With that you lump together a "slight > genetic > twist" as another cause. Well, sure, we're all only a couple genomes > away > from being chimpanzees .... > > You're nitpicking, Jerry. If > you don't face down that inner > bin Laden, it's more likely to > bite you in the ass when you > least expect it (no, I don't > mean you personally). The one > who believes himself so > different that s/he's immune > is the most vulnerable. > > > > Ah yes, lt is most generous of you, Bruce, to make a departure > from our > debate in order to pursue a higher purpose, to save me from becoming > a bin > Laden MYSELF!!! No doubt you're right, since l believe myself so > different > from bin Laden l'm uniquely vulnerable. This is such a timely > warning on your > part, because as l was standing before a mirror last night l noticed > my > features beginning to change: a beard starting to grow, a turban > starting to > sprout from my crown -- sure enough, my Dr Jeckyl facade was > crumbling and Mr > Hyde began to take over! Well, actually, that turned out to be a > nightmare. > l awoke to find that l was still the same mediocrity who's managed > to live 50 > plus years in peace with my neighbors, rarely straying far from my > garden. > Guess you're right: the profile of a terrorist. > > > > > Much love -- Bruce >> > > > Much Balance and Reason, > > > > jerrysan rinpoche ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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