Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Beautiful... And well put... human syntax and all ))) *big grins Love,Lynette - viorica weissman <viorica RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>; MillionPaths <MillionPaths>; ANetofJewels <ANetofJewels>; Nisargadatta <Nisargadatta>; <> Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:01 PM Syntax Game > Hello All, > > i noticed an interesting on-line phenomenon on these 'non-two' lists , > i just wanted to know if there are others who share the same opinion. > > it is a kind of syntax game that some people play on account of others, > something of the kind " yesterday i was glad" and here it is > a feedback " 'who' was glad ? " (which means : i got you ! this is a normal human > beeing syntax , aha , so you are using a normal human being syntax , > so you dare be a human , how dare you ? ) > > i find this terrible ; there was a time i felt uncomfortable when my mails were > caught like this and they were syntax analyzed in this way > (aha ! who felt uncomfortable ? ) , then a time came when such syntax analyzers > made me smile , and then the time came when i felt i wanted to talk about this > with others. (oh ! what did i say ? others ?? but there are no others .... > and so on ...) ) > > it seems there is an endless syntax game ( 'syntax game ' = a concept ?? ) > going on , something like this : > > mail1 : so and so and so and so .... > mail2 : aha , i caught you ... > mail3: such and such and such and such .... > mail4: aha, i caught you too... > mail5: so and such and so and such..... > mail6: . ^ . ^ . ~~~~ > mail7: hi, mail6 : ===+++... > mail8: after all you are all human beings ... > > > > humans' access is questioned by some members > on the 'not-two' lists ? > it is a fault to be a human or to use a normal syntax to communicate ? > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > just an opinion - did anybody else notice ? > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Thanks for the laugh Vicki - if all phrases would have to be approved by the "enlightenment OK committee", that would take at least the double amount of paper in order to express the events according to the insight that there isn't an "i" or a "you". So the "enlightenedly approved" version of "i was glad" would be like "a sensation of gladness arose in this biological unit". The short phrase "i love you" would translate to "A sensation of attraction in this biological unit did arise for that neighboring biological unit". Yes, the enlightenedly correctness requires the use of past tense as there is but the "now" As you see, the more intimate a feeling, the more words would be required to express it - a kind of violation of "Reality is ultimate simplicity". Yet there is a role for syntax - but only for the sake of argument, when clarity is required. As there is neither an "i" nor a "you", a statement like "i got enlightened praying under the Christmas tree" can do a lot of harm for "seekers of enlightenment" - as there is nothing to get nor to find and the sense of "i" is the illusion... And a phrase like "part of the whole" already indicates a flaw: the whole doesn't have parts - that's why it is "whole" Those nagging with "who... ?" type questions didn't understand that there is no answer.. Hence the question is to die out by itself instead of being repeated Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Hi Vicki, The 'advaita word game' is the easiest game to play. Problem is...the only winner is the Ego. Miles --------- > Hello All, > > i noticed an interesting on-line phenomenon on these 'non-two' lists , > i just wanted to know if there are others who share the same opinion. > > it is a kind of syntax game that some people play on account of others, > something of the kind " yesterday i was glad" and here it is > a feedback " 'who' was glad ? " (which means : i got you ! this is a > normal human > beeing syntax , aha , so you are using a normal human being syntax , > so you dare be a human , how dare you ? ) > > i find this terrible ; there was a time i felt uncomfortable when my mails > were > caught like this and they were syntax analyzed in this way > (aha ! who felt uncomfortable ? ) , then a time came when such syntax > analyzers > made me smile , and then the time came when i felt i wanted to talk about > this > with others. (oh ! what did i say ? others ?? but there are no others ... > and so on ...) ) > > it seems there is an endless syntax game ( 'syntax game ' = a concept ?? > ) > going on , something like this : > > mail1 : so and so and so and so .... > mail2 : aha , i caught you ... > mail3: such and such and such and such .... > mail4: aha, i caught you too... > mail5: so and such and so and such..... > mail6: . ^ . ^ . ~~~~ > mail7: hi, mail6 : ===+++... > mail8: after all you are all human beings ... > > > > humans' access is questioned by some members > on the 'not-two' lists ? > it is a fault to be a human or to use a normal syntax to communicate ? > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > just an opinion - did anybody else notice ? > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- > Un: RamanaMaharshi- > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Thank you Vicki for expressing this so well. Gratitude for this peace and just knowing you all are here sustains me and blesses me so much. You, shri rama, suri, and Gabriele are especially generous with your time and care to select passages for us all to read. Thank you all for your many gifts. Much love, Gloria - vioricail RamanaMaharshi Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:56 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Syntax Game > Hi Vicki, > The 'advaita word game' is the easiest game to play. Problem is...the only > winner is the Ego. > > Miles Hi Miles , yes ...yes .. yes .ego is the only winner. i've been thinking today - how peace prevails where Ramana is and where there is no doubt that it is so ; and what a comfort this list has always been to me , silent as it is , knowing that so many souls are linked together here by one single thing : love for Ramana . whenever i turn my thoughts and heart to Ramana,his devotees, this list and what shall i post today - ego is forgotten , its vanities discarded , sometimes i feel like crying : i know there are people in this world who offered their souls to God, in love and devotion , just like this , and want nothing in return. thinking of you like this is great joy and comfort. and the silence and peace of this list are a great gift to anyone , i think . Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 10:33:56 AM Central Standard Time, glee writes: > I have no particular love for Ramana, Nisargadatta or > the other 5 Guru's that initiated me. I only love their words. > I guess I believe Nisargadatta when he says it is the Guru's words > and not the guru. Any ideas why I am not like the others here? If the > guru is not a person than who is there to love. Thanks in advance. > Love, > Alton > > *I guess I see your point, but you honestly feel no love for them? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 There seems to be a difference between myself and the other members of this group. I have no particular love for Ramana, Nisargadatta or the other 5 Guru's that initiated me. I only love their words. I guess I believe Nisargadatta when he says it is the Guru's words and not the guru. Any ideas why I am not like the others here? If the guru is not a person than who is there to love. Thanks in advance. Love, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > Hi Vicki, > > The 'advaita word game' is the easiest game to play. Problem > is...the only > > winner is the Ego. > > > > Miles > > > Hi Miles , > > yes ...yes .. yes .ego is the only winner. > > i've been thinking today - how peace prevails > where Ramana is and where there is no doubt > that it is so ; and what a comfort this list has always been > to me , silent as it is , knowing that so many souls > are linked together here by one single thing : love for > Ramana . > > whenever i turn my thoughts and heart to Ramana,his devotees, > this list and what shall i post today - ego is forgotten , its > vanities discarded , sometimes i feel like crying : > i know there are people in this world who offered their > souls to God, in love and devotion , just like this , > and want nothing in return. > > thinking of you like this is great joy and comfort. > > and the silence and peace of this list are a great gift > to anyone , i think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Alton, If you see the truth in their words, and others feel devotion to them as the source of truth, what is the real difference? Love of truth is the same. If one considers the ineffable, wordless transmission of peace from a smile or the gaze into someone's eyes, how the real being is felt in silence - then what is being loved in the guru is far beyond just a human personality, as he is more than just that. So perhaps the mistake is in thinking that when the name is mentioned, one is loving just a person in the same way one might love any other friend. Also felt is such gratitude to the one showing the way, a devotion for their generosity. Ultimately, truth and love are the same, so inseparable there can be no differentiation made. Ramana would join in with the devotees singing songs of devotion to the guru, so why would he sing to himself, if he thought it was about him personally? Think about what that would mean and you can perhaps see the difference between the guru as a person and what he represents. Love, Gloria - lostnfoundation RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Syntax Game There seems to be a difference between myself and the other members of this group. I have no particular love for Ramana, Nisargadatta or the other 5 Guru's that initiated me. I only love their words. I guess I believe Nisargadatta when he says it is the Guru's words and not the guru. Any ideas why I am not like the others here? If the guru is not a person than who is there to love. Thanks in advance. Love, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hiya Alton, Interesting question...... - lostnfoundation RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, January 09, 2002 07:45 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: Syntax Game There seems to be a difference between myself and the other members of this group. I have no particular love for Ramana, Nisargadatta or the other 5 Guru's that initiated me. I only love their words. Can their words be different from their essence? If yes, then what is front is an actor not a Master. I guess I believe Nisargadatta when he says it is the Guru's words and not the guru. It's the Guru's mileu, in which words may or may appear. Any ideas why I am not like the others here? You cannot be like others. Nobody can be like an other, much though one tries to copy, whether the object of copy is Ramana or Rahimutulla. You are as much an unique expression of that-which-is, as much was Ramana. If the guru is not a person than who is there to love. Indeed. Love for a person, is not love. Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Dear Alton, I also love the words of many other Gurus, but with Ramana it is something else - a special kind of attraction. But you are fully right, he is not "a person", and when devotees asked him that he should give them initiation and accept them as disciples he mostly refused. Nevertheless he envoked love in his devotees and his silent look was felt as initiation. It is a kind of paradoxon. To confess to be a devotee or disciple of Ramana and love him is correct and at the same time not correct. It is correct in a relative sense and not correct in the absolute sense, because in the absolute there is neither Guru nor disciple, there is only ONE, the Self, which is love itself. But until this is not realized we are devotees - simply that. If you don't feel to be a devotee and simply love the words of the masters and are not so much attracted to one of them - there is nothing wrong with it. Then it is your way. There is no need that you should compare you with others. Gabriele -- In RamanaMaharshi, "lostnfoundation" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > There seems to be a difference between myself and the other members > of this group. I have no particular love for Ramana, Nisargadatta or > the other 5 Guru's that initiated me. I only love their words. > I guess I believe Nisargadatta when he says it is the Guru's words > and not the guru. Any ideas why I am not like the others here? If the > guru is not a person than who is there to love. Thanks in advance. > Love, > Alton > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > Hi Vicki, > > > The 'advaita word game' is the easiest game to play. Problem > > is...the only > > > winner is the Ego. > > > > > > Miles > > > > > > Hi Miles , > > > > yes ...yes .. yes .ego is the only winner. > > > > i've been thinking today - how peace prevails > > where Ramana is and where there is no doubt > > that it is so ; and what a comfort this list has always been > > to me , silent as it is , knowing that so many souls > > are linked together here by one single thing : love for > > Ramana . > > > > whenever i turn my thoughts and heart to Ramana,his devotees, > > this list and what shall i post today - ego is forgotten , its > > vanities discarded , sometimes i feel like crying : > > i know there are people in this world who offered their > > souls to God, in love and devotion , just like this , > > and want nothing in return. > > > > thinking of you like this is great joy and comfort. > > > > and the silence and peace of this list are a great gift > > to anyone , i think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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