AW: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

[Guest guest]

Dear Jan,

 

rugged individualist that you are, I take it you must have been a very

unusual child! Were you difficult to handle? :-)

 

It seems that all great teachers emphasized, and also expressed in their own

lives, that caring and sharing aspect you mention. "Thou shalt love the Lord

thy God with all thy heart, ..., and thy neighbor as thyself." Sort of sums

it all up, doesn't it?

 

Take care,

 

Michael

 

 

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

Von: jb [kvy9]

Gesendet: Thursday, November 29, 2001 01:49

An:

Betreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

 

 

Dear Mike,

 

Thanks for the enjoyable story - and it sure rings a bell.

I had my share of "not being born a blank" too and it was

about what in this era would be impossible: a technically

highly advanced society with a simple lifestyle - living in

tents, enjoying outdoor life when off-duty. Hence the love for

that - and the Canaries are ideal for it.

Humans however are social creatures - they will be unhappy,

unless serving their brethren (caring an sharing). In that respect

i'm reminded by a story on Aurobindo, who shut himself up in a

closed room for abt 20 years and (hence? advised to "realize",

functioning in society. Another pointer came from communism:

workers who did hard, physical work would earn more than doctors

or engineers. That didn't cause a shortage of academics though...

 

Peace,

Jan

 

 

On 11/28/01 at 5:58 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

 

:Dear Jan,

:

:let me take this opportunity to thank you for your great photographs and

:haikus that I enjoy a lot. My favorite is titled, "Alone?", and shows a

:mountain goat on a hill top. Even as a very young child I had always felt a

:great longing for rocky peaks and snow-capped mountains, and as you are

:saying, "a few fragments were recalled" of a past beyond this life. Though

:I

:know a little more fully now, rather than speak of myself let me relate a

:story that was told in my presence by one monk, Brother Anandamoy, who was

:a

:direct disciple of Paramahansa Yogananda.

:

:Brother had been with Yoganandaji for only a few month when he had this

:experience during his practice of Kriya. (Kriya Yoga, as you may know, is

:the meditation technique taught by Yoganandaji.) So one day while doing his

:Kriya, this monk accidentally discovered the technique of viewing his own

:past incarnations. While still engrossed in the experience, and enjoying it

:thoroughly, he was suddenly interrupted by a call from outside. "Master

:wants to see you immediately!" In Brother's words, "being the embodiment of

:ignorance" he hurried straight to Yoganandaji to give him the glad tidings,

:fully expecting a good dose of praise for his exploit. But even before he

:could utter a word, Yoganandaji said sternly, "I don't want you to look at

:your past incarnations. Do not identify yourself with the past masquerades

:of your soul."

:

:Take care,

:

:Michael

:

:

:

:/join

:

:

:

:

:

:All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

:perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

:subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

:different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

:nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

:It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

:Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

:Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

:all to a.

:

:

:

:Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Not quite, Mike. Without actual

self-love (as contrasted with

narcissism or conceit), the

wisdom of loving "thy neighbor

as thyself" is essentially

meaningless and moot.

 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:39:53 +0100 MikeSuesserott writes:

> Dear Jan,

>

> rugged individualist that you are, I take it you must have been a

> very unusual child! Were you difficult to handle? :-)

>

> It seems that all great teachers emphasized, and also expressed in

> their own

> lives, that caring and sharing aspect you mention. "Thou shalt love

> the Lord

> thy God with all thy heart, ..., and thy neighbor as thyself." Sort

> of sums it all up, doesn't it?

>

> Take care,

>

> Michael

>

>

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> Von: jb [kvy9]

> Gesendet: Thursday, November 29, 2001 01:49

> An:

> Betreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless

> America)

>

>

> Dear Mike,

>

> Thanks for the enjoyable story - and it sure rings a bell.

> I had my share of "not being born a blank" too and it was

> about what in this era would be impossible: a technically

> highly advanced society with a simple lifestyle - living in

> tents, enjoying outdoor life when off-duty. Hence the love for

> that - and the Canaries are ideal for it.

> Humans however are social creatures - they will be unhappy,

> unless serving their brethren (caring an sharing). In that respect

> i'm reminded by a story on Aurobindo, who shut himself up in a

> closed room for abt 20 years and (hence? advised to "realize",

> functioning in society. Another pointer came from communism:

> workers who did hard, physical work would earn more than doctors

> or engineers. That didn't cause a shortage of academics though...

>

> Peace,

> Jan

>

>

> On 11/28/01 at 5:58 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

>

> :Dear Jan,

> :

> :let me take this opportunity to thank you for your great

> photographs and

> :haikus that I enjoy a lot. My favorite is titled, "Alone?", and

> shows a

> :mountain goat on a hill top. Even as a very young child I had

> always felt a

> :great longing for rocky peaks and snow-capped mountains, and as you

> are

> :saying, "a few fragments were recalled" of a past beyond this life.

> Though

> :I

> :know a little more fully now, rather than speak of myself let me

> relate a

> :story that was told in my presence by one monk, Brother Anandamoy,

> who was

> :a

> :direct disciple of Paramahansa Yogananda.

> :

> :Brother had been with Yoganandaji for only a few month when he had

> this

> :experience during his practice of Kriya. (Kriya Yoga, as you may

> know, is

> :the meditation technique taught by Yoganandaji.) So one day while

> doing his

> :Kriya, this monk accidentally discovered the technique of viewing

> his own

> :past incarnations. While still engrossed in the experience, and

> enjoying it

> :thoroughly, he was suddenly interrupted by a call from outside.

> "Master

> :wants to see you immediately!" In Brother's words, "being the

> embodiment of

> :ignorance" he hurried straight to Yoganandaji to give him the glad

> tidings,

> :fully expecting a good dose of praise for his exploit. But even

> before he

> :could utter a word, Yoganandaji said sternly, "I don't want you to

> look at

> :your past incarnations. Do not identify yourself with the past

> masquerades

> :of your soul."

> :

> :Take care,

> :

> :Michael

> :

 

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On 11/29/01 at 9:39 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

 

ºDear Jan,

º

ºrugged individualist that you are, I take it you must have been a very

ºunusual child! Were you difficult to handle? :-)

 

Hahaha! That smiley tells you know the answer already!

My parents never forgot the ordeal that came upon them

and at every birthday, the anecdotes were told,

many on the impossibility to punish me.

 

Noticing my father would stop beating when i started to cry, i decided

not to cry and he bruised his hands Then he decided to use a carpet beater

and i cried out before he had hit, so loud that the neighbors came complaining

On being imprisoned in the coal shed, it took over an hour to get cleaned

again...

On being imprisoned in the loo, what wasn't fixed was put in and the plumber

had a tough job fixing it up again.

On being imprisoned in a wardrobe, no cloth was left with buttons attached.

 

My father gave up, my mother took over and used arguments - trying to

communicate instead of to punish. Even a psychologist was consulted and

for her i was a research object - my parents didn't have to pay

The diagnosis was, an unusual amount of life-energy, hence a "behavioral cure"

would be to skip one or more classes at school as learning was much faster

than usual too. But that never happened as my father's career always came first,

not the family.

 

º

ºIt seems that all great teachers emphasized, and also expressed in their

ºown

ºlives, that caring and sharing aspect you mention. "Thou shalt love the

ºLord

ºthy God with all thy heart, ..., and thy neighbor as thyself." Sort of sums

ºit all up, doesn't it?

º

ºTake care,

º

ºMichael

 

Of course that sums it up - as if "realization" would be a kind of

"bonus" after "duty" for those, 40+...

Not making a distinction regarding "you and me" dissolves the notion of

"otherness", hence the notion of "me" too. That is what Self-realization is

about: to +know+ that the drop is the ocean and to see the ocean in each drop.

Only then, life can be the joy it is intended to be.

The term "with all your heart" already implies not to make a distinction or to

"hold back".

 

Peace,

Jan