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Dear Jan,

 

are you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that

coming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

 

Jan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the

love of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that

state one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings

with joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

 

How much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower

states of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is

locked in the blissful union with the Divine.

 

It is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out

of frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize

with them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is as

different from samadhi as night and day.

 

Warmly,

 

Michael

 

 

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

Von: jb [kvy9]

Gesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24

An:

Betreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

 

 

<snip>

 

Patanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"

types:

they happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so when

coming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that

could

lead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the void....

Not a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism

isn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.

 

Peace,

Jan

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On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

 

ºDear Jan,

º

ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that

ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

 

There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist

has to be familiar with at least a few of them :)

The want to continue the experience without "the effort"

is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs.

º

ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the

ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that

ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings

ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

 

Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types

of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind

were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them.

º

ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower

ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is

ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine.

 

For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function.

Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something

to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against

it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis

are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also

the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too.

º

ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out

ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize

ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is

ºas

ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day.

 

Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire,

rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously

forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of

performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV),

mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers.

The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to

drugs is a matter of market economy.

 

Peace,

Jan

º

ºWarmly,

º

ºMichael

º

º

º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

ºVon: jb [kvy9]

ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24

ºAn:

ºBetreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

º

º

º<snip>

º

ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"

ºtypes:

ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so

ºwhen

ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that

ºcould

ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the

ºvoid....

ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism

ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.

º

ºPeace,

ºJan

º

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to

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On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

 

ºDear Jan,

º

ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that

ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

 

There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist

has to be familiar with at least a few of them :)

The want to continue the experience without "the effort"

is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs.

º

ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the

ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that

ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings

ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

 

Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types

of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind

were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them.

º

ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower

ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is

ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine.

 

For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function.

Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something

to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against

it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis

are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also

the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too.

º

ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out

ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize

ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is

ºas

ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day.

 

Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire,

rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously

forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of

performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV),

mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers.

The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to

drugs is a matter of market economy.

 

Peace,

Jan

º

ºWarmly,

º

ºMichael

º

º

º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

ºVon: jb [kvy9]

ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24

ºAn:

ºBetreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

º

º

º<snip>

º

ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"

ºtypes:

ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so

ºwhen

ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that

ºcould

ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the

ºvoid....

ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism

ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.

º

ºPeace,

ºJan

º

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to

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