Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Dear Jan, are you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that coming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs? Jan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the love of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that state one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings with joy as one goes about ones daily duties. How much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower states of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is locked in the blissful union with the Divine. It is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out of frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize with them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is as different from samadhi as night and day. Warmly, Michael -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: jb [kvy9] Gesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24 An: Betreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America) <snip> Patanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking" types: they happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so when coming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that could lead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the void.... Not a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism isn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis. Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott wrote: ºDear Jan, º ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs? There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist has to be familiar with at least a few of them The want to continue the experience without "the effort" is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs. º ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties. Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them. º ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine. For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function. Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too. º ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is ºas ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day. Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire, rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV), mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers. The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to drugs is a matter of market economy. Peace, Jan º ºWarmly, º ºMichael º º º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- ºVon: jb [kvy9] ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24 ºAn: ºBetreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America) º º º<snip> º ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking" ºtypes: ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so ºwhen ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that ºcould ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the ºvoid.... ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis. º ºPeace, ºJan º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott wrote: ºDear Jan, º ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs? There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist has to be familiar with at least a few of them The want to continue the experience without "the effort" is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs. º ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties. Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them. º ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine. For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function. Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too. º ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is ºas ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day. Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire, rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV), mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers. The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to drugs is a matter of market economy. Peace, Jan º ºWarmly, º ºMichael º º º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- ºVon: jb [kvy9] ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24 ºAn: ºBetreff: Re: Reincarnation (was: God Bless America) º º º<snip> º ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking" ºtypes: ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so ºwhen ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that ºcould ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the ºvoid.... ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis. º ºPeace, ºJan º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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