Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

[Guest guest]

Dearest brother Michael,

 

I have heard that some people like Ramdas (Timothy Leary?) who experimented

with mind altering drugs and experienced different states became interested

in the nature of consciousness and spirituality. There are such examples.

However, what you say is correct. A person who already knows the deepest

truth will not be attracted to drugs and alcohol to change his state of

awareness, as there would be nothing to change. If we go one step further

Mike, a Self-Realized person may even lose interest in various methods and

techniques of meditation and yoga (although losing of such interest is not

necessary at all).

 

It is an esoteric, rarely known, but an experiential truth that "Nirvikalpa

Samadhi" of Raja Yoga (including Kundalini and Kriya Yogas) has a different

meaning than that of Nirvikalpa Samadhi in Jnana Yoga. The first takes place

with the merging of Shakti at the Sahasarara. The second takes places when

the Shakti after having first reached the Sahasarara makes its way down a

frontal path called Amrita Nadi and merges into the Spiritual Heart. In

Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the breath is literally taken or sucked away as the

lungs become completely empty and the heart may stop temporarily. However,

even in Savikalpa Samadhi the breath appears to stop but actually goes on at

a subtle level and the heart continues to beat. Kevala Kumbhaka (restraint

of breath) can also be produced through practice of higher level pranayama.

 

The third Nirvikalpa is beyond description and is called Sahaj. The natural

state. Here, nothing rises, sets, or merges.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

MikeSuesserott [MikeSuesserott]

Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:35 PM

Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

 

 

Dear Jan,

 

are you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that

coming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

 

Jan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the

love of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that

state one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings

with joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

 

How much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower

states of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is

locked in the blissful union with the Divine.

 

It is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out

of frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize

with them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is as

different from samadhi as night and day.

 

Warmly,

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> A person who already knows the deepest truth will not be attracted

> to drugs and alcohol to change his state of awareness, as there

> would be nothing to change.

 

Dear Harsha,

 

This may or may not be so.

Only the One who knows the deepest truth could know.

 

Everyone I have ever met who claims to know the deepest truth

has turned out to be a heratic.

 

Who here knows the deepest truth?

 

David

(does your your condition, Harsha, also apply to

drugs like 'prozac'?)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/9/01 2:05:25 PM Mountain Standard Time,

harsha-hkl writes:

 

<< I have heard that some people like Ramdas (Timothy Leary?) who experimented

with mind altering drugs and experienced different states became interested

in the nature of consciousness and spirituality. There are such examples. >>

 

Anybody interested in the history of drug/spirituality exploration might

enjoy Storming Heaven, by Jay Stevens. Absolutely fascinating as historical

subtext for those of us who grew up in the 40's, 50's and 60's. I loved the

part where the FBI drops acid on one another without telling. Holly

[Guest guest]

Holly & Friends,

 

Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens is an excellent history as well as a

piece of enjoyable writing. Another book you might consider is

Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered by Lester Grinspoon and James bakalar.

Grinspan is an associate professor of Psychiatry at harvard Medical

School. Bakalar is a lecturer in Law in the dept. of Psych. at the

Harvard Medical School.

 

Both men colaborated on two other important books in the history and

sociology of drugs: Marijuana Reconsidered and Cocaine: A Drug and

it's Social Evolution. Many historians and academics consider the

Psychedelic book the best reevaluation of Psychedelic drugs and what

their therapeutic use can mean to future psychiatric research and

practice.

 

Of course, anything on the subject by Stanislov Grof touches on

spiritual experience as his whole theory accords with nondual

spiritual thinking. It's probably not coincidental that the couple,

R.E.L. Masters and Jean Houston arrived at almost the same elaborate

theory of psychology from their own independent hands-on studies with

the therepuetic application of LSD in their private psychiatric

practice before the government shut down all research on psychedelics

in the 60's. Stan was working in Europe at the time, Swizerland I

think, and the Masters-Houston team worked here in the US. Their

simultaneous arrival at almost identical systems of Psychological

theory and practice is, I think, unprecedented in the schismatic

history of psychological theory. The Masters-Houston book, out of

print since '66 is titled the Varieties of Psychedelic Experience. It

is easily among the most important books I've read in this lifetime.

To compare it to any of the important books by Stanislov Grof will

make your hair stand on end, they are so congruent. Stan's recent

books are being published by SUNY Press. I think that both groups of

authors (Stan frequently wrote with his wives, Christina Grof, and

later, Joan Halifax) are pointing directly and without equivocation

to the future of applied psychological therapy as well as research.

 

Interestingly, both Christina Grof and Joan halifax are famous in

their own rights for their work on Spiritual Emergence and Shamanism

respectively.

 

Check them out. You won't be disappointed.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

, Hbarrett47@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/9/01 2:05:25 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> harsha-hkl@h... writes:

>

> << I have heard that some people like Ramdas (Timothy Leary?) who

experimented

> with mind altering drugs and experienced different states became

interested

> in the nature of consciousness and spirituality. There are such

examples. >>

>

> Anybody interested in the history of drug/spirituality exploration

might

> enjoy Storming Heaven, by Jay Stevens. Absolutely fascinating as

historical

> subtext for those of us who grew up in the 40's, 50's and 60's. I

loved the

> part where the FBI drops acid on one another without telling. Holly