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david bozzi [david.bozzi]

Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:20 PM

Re: Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

 

, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> A person who already knows the deepest truth will not be attracted

> to drugs and alcohol to change his state of awareness, as there

> would be nothing to change.

 

Dear Harsha,

 

This may or may not be so.

Only the One who knows the deepest truth could know.

 

Everyone I have ever met who claims to know the deepest truth

has turned out to be a heratic.

 

Who here knows the deepest truth?

 

David

(does your your condition, Harsha, also apply to

drugs like 'prozac'?)

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Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you meet who

claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very sorry about that

and wish you well brother.

 

Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and medications aimed

at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or mental) or for

curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these matters

is crucial.

 

My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have unpredictable and

harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the Kundalini

prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems. Having

been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and having

seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of people, it

does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply my

personal view.

 

Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the end you

will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being resides

in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something extraordinary

and special. What does years of deep meditation leading to Nirvikalpa

Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider our

ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious.

Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only consciousness.

To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To call it extraordinary does

not add to it.

 

Here is a quote from Sri Ramana that illustrates this point.

 

"What is Self-Realisation?

A mere phrase.

People expect some miracle to happen,

something to drop from Heaven in a flash.

It is nothing of the sort.

Only the notion that you are the body,

that you are this or that, will go,

and you remain as you are.

Indeed, Realisation is but another name

for the Self."

 

(Sri Ramana in: G.V. Subbaramayya: Sri Ramana Reminiscences, p. 138)

 

Lots of love David and love to all

Harsha

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, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you

> meet who claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very

> sorry about that and wish you well brother.

 

I wasn't looking for an apology. Well, now I have one;

anybody want an apology?

> Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and

medications aimed

> at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or

mental) or for

> curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these

matters

> is crucial.

 

Ok.

 

My personal view is that many people live their lives

or parts of their lives using drugs like alcohol, pot or

prozac in similar fasion and the fact that one is made

by 'Bristol-Myers' (or whoever) and comes with a magical

cerificate known as a 'prescription' administered by one

who 'knows', is a superficial, cosmetic difference and the

bias that people have regarding one or the other are

conditionings that might warrant some exploration. I am

aware of many people that use pot, prozac, alcohol in an

effective (more or less) manner to lesson the effects of

'illness' or 'disease'. I aware of many who use prozac,

pot or alcohol in a destructive manner as well.

> My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have

unpredictable and

> harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the

Kundalini

> prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems.

Having

> been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and

having

> seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of

people, it

> does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply

my

> personal view.

 

Well I agree with your personal view. I would include drugs

like prozac in your personal assessment. I would also add

that I am aware of entheogens, pot & SSRIs being used in

a responsible and healing manner.

> Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the

end you

> will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being

resides

> in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something

extraordinary

> and special.

 

The extraordinary is hidden in the ordinary.

> What does years of deep meditation leading to

Nirvikalpa

> Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider

our

> ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious.

 

Years of meditation are not required.

(I am not implying that you disagree)

 

> Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only

> consciousness. To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To

call

> it extraordinary does not add to it.

 

Well said.

I prefer not to call it anything.

 

David

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