Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 david bozzi [david.bozzi] Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:20 PM Re: Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > A person who already knows the deepest truth will not be attracted > to drugs and alcohol to change his state of awareness, as there > would be nothing to change. Dear Harsha, This may or may not be so. Only the One who knows the deepest truth could know. Everyone I have ever met who claims to know the deepest truth has turned out to be a heratic. Who here knows the deepest truth? David (does your your condition, Harsha, also apply to drugs like 'prozac'?) **************************************** Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you meet who claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very sorry about that and wish you well brother. Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and medications aimed at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or mental) or for curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these matters is crucial. My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have unpredictable and harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the Kundalini prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems. Having been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and having seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of people, it does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply my personal view. Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the end you will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being resides in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something extraordinary and special. What does years of deep meditation leading to Nirvikalpa Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider our ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious. Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only consciousness. To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To call it extraordinary does not add to it. Here is a quote from Sri Ramana that illustrates this point. "What is Self-Realisation? A mere phrase. People expect some miracle to happen, something to drop from Heaven in a flash. It is nothing of the sort. Only the notion that you are the body, that you are this or that, will go, and you remain as you are. Indeed, Realisation is but another name for the Self." (Sri Ramana in: G.V. Subbaramayya: Sri Ramana Reminiscences, p. 138) Lots of love David and love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you > meet who claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very > sorry about that and wish you well brother. I wasn't looking for an apology. Well, now I have one; anybody want an apology? > Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and medications aimed > at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or mental) or for > curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these matters > is crucial. Ok. My personal view is that many people live their lives or parts of their lives using drugs like alcohol, pot or prozac in similar fasion and the fact that one is made by 'Bristol-Myers' (or whoever) and comes with a magical cerificate known as a 'prescription' administered by one who 'knows', is a superficial, cosmetic difference and the bias that people have regarding one or the other are conditionings that might warrant some exploration. I am aware of many people that use pot, prozac, alcohol in an effective (more or less) manner to lesson the effects of 'illness' or 'disease'. I aware of many who use prozac, pot or alcohol in a destructive manner as well. > My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have unpredictable and > harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the Kundalini > prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems. Having > been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and having > seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of people, it > does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply my > personal view. Well I agree with your personal view. I would include drugs like prozac in your personal assessment. I would also add that I am aware of entheogens, pot & SSRIs being used in a responsible and healing manner. > Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the end you > will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being resides > in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something extraordinary > and special. The extraordinary is hidden in the ordinary. > What does years of deep meditation leading to Nirvikalpa > Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider our > ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious. Years of meditation are not required. (I am not implying that you disagree) > Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only > consciousness. To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To call > it extraordinary does not add to it. Well said. I prefer not to call it anything. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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