Nirvakalpa Samadhi of Kundalini Yoga versus Jnana Yoga

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Dea Harsha,

 

Kundalini Yoga is not different from Jnana Yoga, which is included within the

total practice. There seems to be some fixation on an idea that Kundalini Yoga

is a total focus on triggering the release of energy from the Kandal, between

the navel and the 4th vertebra, and the openning of energy through the Crown

governed by the Sahasrara.

 

Actually, the Atma nadi between the brain and Hrdayam, is the location of what

yogi's call the vibration of unstruck sound, which is the pulsation of the "I as

I" felt in the Hrdayam, atma nadi and brain area.

 

The Hrdayam is known as the dissolusionary force, while the Kandal is known as

the generative force and the Sahasrara the involutionary force. These are also

all well known yogic points of meditation, where the Hrdayam is known as the

self-effulgent light which is the source of the light that lights the body and

mind.

 

In the pactice of Kundalini Yoga, all these chakras, nadis and force centers mae

up the a mechanisms that function within the body field, where the awaking of

the ever present three fold Awareness simply brings about the dissolving of the

distinction between an idea of an individual self - Atman, and the single

all-pervasive Self - Brahman.

 

When the ancient sages began to teach Kundalini Yoga, it was to develop a means

through which the mind could be purified to the point where the Truth could be

heard, so that the reading of the spiritual texts or being told of the Truth

would have a direct and immediate effect in triggering the inversion of the mind

to the Heart.

 

In Kundalini Yoga, thevarious aspects of the mechanisms do not operate in a

vacuum. They're all part of one cohesive, in fact, undifferentiated whole,

which is why this Kundalini Yoga is known as the Totality of Being. This yoga

has the sole purpose to bring up the overall energy in the system to the point

where the vibratory energy levels related to the images apearing and held in the

subconscious begin to balance and rise to the level of pure intuition from which

the thoughts, sensations and images eminate, which is the Intelligence shining

through the reflected consciouness of the mind.

 

This Intelligence (buddhi), then pulls the sense of "I" that permeates the mind

into Itself, dissolving the sense of separateness that holds the mind, just like

the Singularity of a Black Hole pulls in the objects swirling around it

releasing vast amounts of light in the process. - "...and the whole body is

filled with light." (Luke 11:34)

 

Kundalini is just another word meaning undifferentiated Awareness. The

perspective of the Kundalini Yoga begins with the recognition of this Truth, and

then develops those practices that bring about the isolation of the seer and

dissolusion of the illusion held in the sub-conscient of Atman and Brahman being

2.

 

I know of one Master of Kundalini Yoga, who has been teaching the mantra "God

and me, me and God are One," where God is simply "I as I" and has been repeating

"Always abide in the non-dual," for over 30 years, as the basis for all

practice. To him Bhakti Yoga and Jnana Yoga have never been separate

approaches, rather always taught from ancient times as eminating from within the

Total.

 

A lot of wasted time is spent on making distinctions and catagorizations, which

really amount to arguements as to why the hands are better than the feet, or why

the eyes are better than the ears or why nose is better than the mouth and so

on, with very few actually spending there precious time as humans actually

touching, walking, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and so on as a total man

or woman, when the Total has been given to use, as always undifferentiated from

the One.

 

These ancient Sages have always taught that while the veiling aspect of Maya has

hidden the shining forth of the Self, the diversity aspect of Maya can be

directly utilized to realize the Truth. This diversity aspect is Kundalini

Yoga, which involves the Totality of Being.

 

"To live in the Great Way is neither easy nor difficult, but those with limited

views are fearful and irresolute" - exerpts from Faith Mind of the Third Zen

Patriarch

 

Pieter

 

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Message: 24

Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:08:50 -0500

"Harsha" <harsha-hkl

Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

 

Dearest brother Michael,

 

I have heard that some people like Ramdas (Timothy Leary?) who experimented with

mind altering drugs and experienced different states became interested in the

nature of consciousness and spirituality. There are such examples. However, what

you say is correct. A person who already knows the deepest truth will not be

attracted to drugs and alcohol to change his state of awareness, as there would

be nothing to change. If we go one step further Mike, a Self-Realized person may

even lose interest in various methods and techniques of meditation and yoga

(although losing of such interest is not necessary at all).

 

It is an esoteric, rarely known, but an experiential truth that "Nirvikalpa

Samadhi" of Raja Yoga (including Kundalini and Kriya Yogas) has a different

meaning than that of Nirvikalpa Samadhi in Jnana Yoga. The first takes place

with the merging of Shakti at the Sahasarara. The second takes places when the

Shakti after having first reached the Sahasarara makes its way down a frontal

path called Amrita Nadi and merges into the Spiritual Heart. In Nirvikalpa

Samadhi, the breath is literally taken or sucked away as the lungs become

completely empty and the heart may stop temporarily. However, even in Savikalpa

Samadhi the breath appears to stop but actually goes on at a subtle level and

the heart continues to beat. Kevala Kumbhaka (restraint of breath) can also be

produced through practice of higher level pranayama.

 

The third Nirvikalpa is beyond description and is called Sahaj. The natural

state. Here, nothing rises, sets, or merges.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pieter,

 

Thanks for your note and the explanation. I find your insights to be very

meaningful. What I write is from my experience and the teachings of Ramana

Maharshi. Sri Ramana has commented and spoken clearly on such terms as the

Heart, Jnana, Self, Kundalini, Nirvikalpa, etc. Sri Ramana's comments and

explanations make sense to me in light of my own experiences so that I feel

comfortable using the Sage's teachings as a vehicle for my expressions. As a

devotee of the Sage of Arunachala, I point to Him as the final authority.

 

My understanding of Sri Ramana's teachings is at an intuitive level. The

Sage's teaching is simple which suits me as I am a simple person. One time,

I was going for a walk with another professor (an Indian and a friend

familiar with the teachings of many saints). My friend said that Sri Ramana

once said such and such about siddhas. I told him politely that Sri Ramana

could never have made such a statement. My friend was surprised and perhaps

a bit annoyed and asked whether I was familiar with all the literature about

Sri Ramana. I answered that I was familiar only with a little bit but knew

the essence of Sri Ramana's teachings. I asked my friend whether he could

point me to the source where Sri Ramana had said such and such, etc. My

friend could not do so.

 

We use the terms Jnana Yoga, Kundalini Yoga, Bhakti Yoga etc., for the sake

of convenience. Indeed such distinctions from one perspective are not

meaningful and I am glad that you point that out. Each person's path is

unique. The poets have written beautifully that just like the bird flying

through air leaves no mark, the Sage's path to the Self cannot be traced.

 

Each must see with their own Eye behind the eye (I) by whatever means is

useful or makes sense to them.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

Pieter Schoonheim Samara [pietersa]

Monday, December 10, 2001 4:19 AM

Nirvakalpa Samadhi of Kundalini Yoga versus

Jnana Yoga

 

 

Dea Harsha,

 

Kundalini Yoga is not different from Jnana Yoga, which is included within

the total practice. There seems to be some fixation on an idea that

Kundalini Yoga is a total focus on triggering the release of energy from the

Kandal, between the navel and the 4th vertebra, and the openning of energy

through the Crown governed by the Sahasrara.

 

Actually, the Atma nadi between the brain and Hrdayam, is the location of

what yogi's call the vibration of unstruck sound, which is the pulsation of

the "I as I" felt in the Hrdayam, atma nadi and brain area.

 

The Hrdayam is known as the dissolusionary force, while the Kandal is known

as the generative force and the Sahasrara the involutionary force. These

are also all well known yogic points of meditation, where the Hrdayam is

known as the self-effulgent light which is the source of the light that

lights the body and mind.

 

In the pactice of Kundalini Yoga, all these chakras, nadis and force centers

mae up the a mechanisms that function within the body field, where the

awaking of the ever present three fold Awareness simply brings about the

dissolving of the distinction between an idea of an individual self - Atman,

and the single all-pervasive Self - Brahman.

 

When the ancient sages began to teach Kundalini Yoga, it was to develop a

means through which the mind could be purified to the point where the Truth

could be heard, so that the reading of the spiritual texts or being told of

the Truth would have a direct and immediate effect in triggering the

inversion of the mind to the Heart.

 

In Kundalini Yoga, thevarious aspects of the mechanisms do not operate in a

vacuum. They're all part of one cohesive, in fact, undifferentiated whole,

which is why this Kundalini Yoga is known as the Totality of Being. This

yoga has the sole purpose to bring up the overall energy in the system to

the point where the vibratory energy levels related to the images apearing

and held in the subconscious begin to balance and rise to the level of pure

intuition from which the thoughts, sensations and images eminate, which is

the Intelligence shining through the reflected consciouness of the mind.

 

This Intelligence (buddhi), then pulls the sense of "I" that permeates the

mind into Itself, dissolving the sense of separateness that holds the mind,

just like the Singularity of a Black Hole pulls in the objects swirling

around it releasing vast amounts of light in the process. - "...and the

whole body is filled with light." (Luke 11:34)

 

Kundalini is just another word meaning undifferentiated Awareness. The

perspective of the Kundalini Yoga begins with the recognition of this Truth,

and then develops those practices that bring about the isolation of the seer

and dissolusion of the illusion held in the sub-conscient of Atman and

Brahman being 2.

 

I know of one Master of Kundalini Yoga, who has been teaching the mantra

"God and me, me and God are One," where God is simply "I as I" and has been

repeating "Always abide in the non-dual," for over 30 years, as the basis

for all practice. To him Bhakti Yoga and Jnana Yoga have never been

separate approaches, rather always taught from ancient times as eminating

from within the Total.

 

A lot of wasted time is spent on making distinctions and catagorizations,

which really amount to arguements as to why the hands are better than the

feet, or why the eyes are better than the ears or why nose is better than

the mouth and so on, with very few actually spending there precious time as

humans actually touching, walking, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and so

on as a total man or woman, when the Total has been given to use, as always

undifferentiated from the One.

 

These ancient Sages have always taught that while the veiling aspect of Maya

has hidden the shining forth of the Self, the diversity aspect of Maya can

be directly utilized to realize the Truth. This diversity aspect is

Kundalini Yoga, which involves the Totality of Being.

 

"To live in the Great Way is neither easy nor difficult, but those with

limited views are fearful and irresolute" - exerpts from Faith Mind of the

Third Zen Patriarch

 

Pieter

 

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Message: 24

Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:08:50 -0500

"Harsha" <harsha-hkl

Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

 

Dearest brother Michael,

 

I have heard that some people like Ramdas (Timothy Leary?) who experimented

with mind altering drugs and experienced different states became interested

in the nature of consciousness and spirituality. There are such examples.

However, what you say is correct. A person who already knows the deepest

truth will not be attracted to drugs and alcohol to change his state of

awareness, as there would be nothing to change. If we go one step further

Mike, a Self-Realized person may even lose interest in various methods and

techniques of meditation and yoga (although losing of such interest is not

necessary at all).

 

It is an esoteric, rarely known, but an experiential truth that "Nirvikalpa

Samadhi" of Raja Yoga (including Kundalini and Kriya Yogas) has a different

meaning than that of Nirvikalpa Samadhi in Jnana Yoga. The first takes place

with the merging of Shakti at the Sahasarara. The second takes places when

the Shakti after having first reached the Sahasarara makes its way down a

frontal path called Amrita Nadi and merges into the Spiritual Heart. In

Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the breath is literally taken or sucked away as the

lungs become completely empty and the heart may stop temporarily. However,

even in Savikalpa Samadhi the breath appears to stop but actually goes on at

a subtle level and the heart continues to beat. Kevala Kumbhaka (restraint

of breath) can also be produced through practice of higher level pranayama.

 

The third Nirvikalpa is beyond description and is called Sahaj. The natural

state. Here, nothing rises, sets, or merges.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

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