AW: Samadhi (was: Reincarnation)

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Dear Jan,

 

if you believe musicians go into samadhi, it's OK with me. :-) Let's agree

on a friendly disagreement here.

 

About the higher/lower thing, you may be right that this terminology can

lead to misunderstandings. What I mean by higher is, "with greater awareness

of the Divine". Not meant to be judgmental, but perhaps you might agree that

there can be different degrees of that awareness. Obviously, this is totally

independent of a person being a householder or not.

 

As regards your ordeal, I am very sorry you had to suffer so much. I never

had such a trying experience in more than thirty years of going inside in

meditation. In the beginning of my sadhana I got painful headaches when

trying to meditate, but after some time this problem went away.

 

Take care,

 

Michael

 

 

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Von: jb [kvy9]

Gesendet: Monday, December 10, 2001 13:32

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Betreff: Re: Samadhi (was: Reincarnation)

 

 

On 12/10/01 at 12:29 PM MikeSuesserott wrote:

 

:Dear Jan,

:

:I appreciate your point that sometimes musicians play in a kind of trance

:state, and that to continue it some of them may seek substitutes. This is a

:very correct and true analysis.

 

Oh - apparently, you're not familiar with deep states of absorption,

where no sense of time, self, world do exist. This happens to many artists

but

they are not aware of it, don't have the knowledge. And it can happen to

scientists too, like for instance Einstein.

:

:Only I don't think that that trance state has anything to do with Savikalpa

:Samadhi. It is a much, much lower state - a state that is obviously

:dependent on the senses as well as on ego, manas, and buddhi. A state,

:also,

:that leaves one frustrated once one comes out of it. And, as you are saying

:yourself, God has nothing to do with it.

 

(II,42) It is Sawitarka Samadhi, illumination with sentiment, when mind is

still muddled with doubt as to word and its meaning.

 

How come that yogis, although 100% dependent on mind and body,

yet use terminology like higher/lower? In that kind of classification, what

would

be termed the life of a householder, compared to that of a contemplative?

:

:If this were samadhi, I for one wouldn't want it.

 

Most likely then, you wouldn't want Shakti firing up every cell of the

mind-body either, as

it will burn out all opinions into mootness irrespective of like/dislike,

higher/lower.

Perhaps a good idea, praying to remain exempted from what certainly would be

classified as "the ultimate ordeal".

 

Cheers,

Jan

:

:Best wishes,

:

:Michael

 

 

 

 

 

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