Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hi Jody, entheogens... Is this the current euphemism for drugs? I didn't know that word, but I can sure see its marketing value. :-) Jody, "realization" means different things to different people. If you think that the type of "realization" that comes through the use of these substances is what you want, this is your decision. As human beings we have the right to choose, and must then live with the results of our choices. As you are saying, these may include some rough seas. Warmly, Michael -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: jodyrrr [jodyrrr] Gesendet: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 01:11 An: Betreff: Re: Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation , MikeSuesserott@t... wrote: [snip] > And I fully agree with what you mentioned in your other post about the > importance of progressing gradually, gradually, like your teacher said. One > cannot force a flower to bloom immediately. However, the process of blooming has nothing to do with the result of realization. That is, while there appears to be a connection between spiritual practice and realization, those that have come to know realization find that the correlation between the practice and the result is only apparent. When one comes to realization, one sees right away that realization was always present in every moment, despite the fact that it wasn't recognized as such. My point is that if you make realization a process, or the result of a particular approach, you will have a hard time finding it as it is neither of these. I personally know of a number of individuals who have come to their realization in the context of a life that included the exploratory use of entheogens. This doesn't mean that the entheogens brought about the realization, just that realization wasn't necessarily hindered by the use of entheogens in these cases. Some like smooth sailing and some like the challenge of rough seas. Either way, realization exists in the lives of both and can come to be recognized in each case just as readily as the other. /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Mike, you have not digested the gist of what Jodyji is saying here. Try responding to what he actually wrote instead of what you've inferred from it based on your own -- and apparently very deeply held -- beliefs on the subject. When one is quite intent on promulgating ones own viewpoint, true dialogue is precluded. On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:06:39 +0100 MikeSuesserott writes: > Hi Jody, > > entheogens... Is this the current euphemism for drugs? I didn't know > that > word, but I can sure see its marketing value. :-) > > Jody, "realization" means different things to different people. If > you think > that the type of "realization" that comes through the use of these > substances is what you want, this is your decision. As human beings > we have > the right to choose, and must then live with the results of our > choices. As you are saying, these may include some rough seas. > > Warmly, > > Michael > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: jodyrrr [jodyrrr] > Gesendet: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 01:11 > An: > Betreff: Re: Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation > > > , MikeSuesserott@t... wrote: > > [snip] > > > And I fully agree with what you mentioned in your other post about > the > > importance of progressing gradually, gradually, like your teacher > said. > One > > cannot force a flower to bloom immediately. > > However, the process of blooming has nothing to do with the result > of realization. That is, while there appears to be a connection > between spiritual practice and realization, those that have come > to know realization find that the correlation between the practice > and the result is only apparent. When one comes to realization, > one sees right away that realization was always present in every > moment, despite the fact that it wasn't recognized as such. > > My point is that if you make realization a process, or the result > of a particular approach, you will have a hard time finding it as > it is neither of these. > > I personally know of a number of individuals who have come to their > realization in the context of a life that included the exploratory > use of entheogens. This doesn't mean that the entheogens brought > about the realization, just that realization wasn't necessarily > hindered by the use of entheogens in these cases. > > Some like smooth sailing and some like the challenge of rough seas. > Either way, realization exists in the lives of both and can come > to be recognized in each case just as readily as the other. > http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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