[PerceptionsOfLife] Staying in the clear 3 (was RE: Sat Chit Ananda and suffering)

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If I may put my two cents in...........where there is heart , there is love

at times we say things that are not proper but if we consider our lists as

family, the world as family...........do we than sue each other over what is

said.

 

If one believes in love than worrying about slander is beneath you. I have

been slandered many a time and you know what it is more important to love

than it is to worry about words.

 

Who is wrong, who is right is meaningless. As long as you believe in

yourself, it doesn't matter what others say and things said on the internet

well they are gone the next day.

 

Love Is and it doesn't give a damn about words! I Am what I Am and I am not

words.

 

just my humble opinion

love

Jeannie

 

-

"Wim Borsboom" <wim

<thomasmerton>; <>;

<PerceptionsOfLife>

Thursday, December 13, 2001 4:32 PM

[PerceptionsOfLife] Staying in the clear 3 (was RE: Sat Chit Ananda

and suffering)

 

> ----------

> Third of three email copies

> ----------

> Dear Mark

>

> You response goes further in apologies than what you indicated before...,

> thank you for that.

>

> One small thing first though, before I get further with this.

>

> You wrote:

> >>> You were never personally invited in my home. You and your wife were

> invited to share dinner with me and my family. You announced your

presence

> in Haarlem and basically invited yourself into our home.<<<

>

> You did invite me over. You did pick me up and walked me to your house.

You

> did not at any point say: "Do not come."

> You are not the person to have trouble speaking your mind as your email

> exchanges attest. The fact that you did not speak those words, must have

> meant that there was some purpose to all this.

>

> >>>You announced your presence in Haarlem and basically invited yourself

> into our home.<<<

>

> I did not 'happen' to be in Haarlem, I took a train especially to come to

> visit you. This was for me a visit to meet with "Mark Valentine" the poet

> whom I admire, to visit with "" and her family, "Mira" a

> wonderful lady whose grace and equanimious judgement I admire.

> That Emmy could not come, had to do with the fact that she was invited to

a

> family reunion with her sisters and brothers in Castricum, which was an

> important event. As she did not know you and Mira other than through me

> mentioning your poems, she weighed the importance of events and decided to

> visit her relatives, many of whom she had not seen in many years.

> During a phone conversation with you, I did get at some point a vague

> impression, (through a slightly off intonation in your voice maybe) that

> something was amiss. The welcome may have been be full hearted... But

then,

> we have to go by words that are said, I usually do, as second guessing can

> be one of the greatest stumbling blocks in communication.

>

> Back to your apology, first to the end.

> You wrote:

> >>> In an attempt to dissuade you from such foolish action, I will inform

> you that the only satisfaction any court of international jurisdiction, if

> such a court even exists, could offer you is monetary. I am a poor

man..<<<

>

> You are ill informed, Mark. Dan Winter, whom you may know, was the

recipient

> of similar court action, although very much more complex as both copyright

> infringement and defamation were involved. The outcome and verdict was not

> monetary at all.

>

> You are a "poor man", you say. Do you think that at any point it was my

> intention to get money out of you?

> No matter what, this statement of yours, says more than what you may have

> intended to say. In a strange sort of way you admit to the likelihood that

> you would lose in court... Why otherwise would you have mentioned that you

> are a poor man. If you would have been fully convinced that you were in

the

> right, you would not even have brought this up. You would have gladly let

me

> carry out my "foolish action" and let me lose my shirt and honour at the

> same time.

>

> This is actually enough for me to conclude that you have become aware of

> your, as you say, "any errors in good judgment" and I thank you for that,

I

> fully appreciate that.

>

> >>>Please accept this email as a second attempt and sincere at a formal

> apology for any errors in good judgment I made while addressing you in

> cyberspace.

> You have my explicit permission to make free use of it as best pleases you

> including forwarding it to the e-groups lists and list owners that are of

> concern to you.<<<

>

> Although it is not really my responsibility to do this, I will be happy to

> follow up on this to send this email exchange to the three lists involved.

> As well, I will include my two previous private emails to you, which dealt

> with this issue.

>

> >>> For my part, I leave it up to the discretion of the list owner's as

to

> whether or not they wish to delete the post at which you are offended from

> their historical archives. <<<

>

> Same here, Mark, I leave that up to their discretion as well. (Harsha

> actually already deleted the offensive email from the archives of the

> list.)

>

> In summary, Mark, for me this suffices as a fully satisfactory closure to

> this unfortunate cyber event.

> May we forget this episode... or better yet, may we transform our

> disagreement into agreement, so that we are actually closer together,

rather

> than farther apart.

>

> It is just unfortunate that you wrote:

> >>>PS:

> I am blocking all further e-mail from you!<<<

> But you know, that is you prerogative.

>

> My dear Mark, your full apologies are accepted.

>

> With warm Regards and Love,

> Wim

>

>

>

> White Wolfe [valemar.1]

> Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:57 AM

> Wim Borsboom

> Staying in the clear

>

>

> Staying in the clear

>

>

> Wim:

>

> You certainly are a fly in the ointment!

>

> Please accept this email as a second attempt and sincere at a formal

apology

> for any errors in good judgment I made while addressing you in cyberspace.

> You have my explicit permission to make free use of it as best pleases you

> including forwarding it to the e-groups lists and list owners that are of

> concern to you. For my part, I leave it up to the discretion of the list

> owner's as to whether or not they wish to delete the post at which you are

> offended from their historical archives. It is a matter to which I remain

> personally indifferent. However and with all due respect, may I suggest

> that your demands for public satisfaction can only serve to draw further

> attention to a mere breach in good manners that can only made better as it

> is forgot. I never have and never will slander you. Actually, I never

even

> bother myself to think about you except when you choose as you are once

> again right now, to intrude into my life. You were never personally

invited

> in my home. You and your wife were invited to share dinner with me and my

> family. You announced your presence in Haarlem and basically invited

> yourself into our home. We graciously over-looked your rudeness and tried

> to deflect you persistent attempts to offer us counseling. My solitary

> public expression of contempt for you as a spiritual advisor in cyberspace

> was never intended as libel and is not a part of any systematic effort on

my

> part to damage your reputation. It was merely a rash defensive reaction

to

> your persistent unsolicited attempts to continue to offer me spiritual

> guidance via email. Hence it was relegated to a mere footnote included in

a

> post script. If you wish further satisfaction and feel you are entitled

to

> it, by all means please avail yourself of legal counsel. In an attempt to

> dissuade you from such foolish action, I will inform you that the only

> satisfaction any court of international jurisdiction, if such a court even

> exists, could offer you is monetary. I am a poor man.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Mark C. Valentine

>

> PS:

> I am blocking all further e-mail from you!

>

>

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