About a letter bomb (it contains insidious self-love)

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Dearest Gloria,

 

You wrote:

>>>> O God! how insidious is self-love! Twisting like a snake, only too

often it succeeds in preserving its life in the face of mortal threats.

There is no illusion more deceptive than this. <<<

 

Too serious, Oh my God, Gloria...

How Lutheran, even Calvinistic!

 

Indeed, hear Harsha, "Why worry...?"

 

To see the fault of insidious self-love in yourself will not turn that

'insidious self-love' into unconditional self-love...

Please, quickly invoke the fifth amendment. :-) You don't have to implicate

yourself or set yourself up for prosecution...

 

In fact, seriously, this self-implication, may slow down the re-covery of

unconditional self, when you blame yourself for having it...

Exonerate yourself, lighten your self from the burden of 'having been talked

into being down on yourself'.

Someone else is trying to load that burden onto you... The statement or

SENTENCE that accuses you of having this kind of 'insidious self-love' comes

from outside yourself, you were not born with it...it is not innate... It is

not part of human divine nature, our human divine heritage and franchise.

 

Don't let anyone stick it to you and thusly have you denature yourself...

 

This accusation gets passed down to you, (and if you are not careful you

will pass it down as well to your loved ones) by others who pass the buck to

you just as they were passed that buck, just as they were not loved by their

ancestors who accused them of insidious self-love, ancestors who also were

not loved as they were also accused of insidious self-love and ... ... ...

and so on backwards down the ancestral line...

 

Ah, Eureka...

 

You have found the root of "original sin", the instance when the original

divine humans were talked into believing that they were not worth their

divine nature...

Is that wrongful belief still sticking up its nose...? Jesus thought that he

had it all solved...

 

This hand me down accusation of insidious self love... is what makes it so

insidious...

 

Start by loving yourself, any which way, there is less risk involved than by

hating yourself.

Putting yourself down for insidious self-love, ergo 'hating yourself', is

guaranteed to work...

Almost anyway, if it were not for people who help you liberate your selves

from it.

 

An interesting kind of "remote control" from the past eh? This "original"

put down...

 

Ah Gloria, do not take it so serious... But I won't put you down for

bringing it up..., no way ... thanks... you are making my day...

 

I love you for bringing IT up...

So that now you can put IT down...

Very far away from yourself...

In fact, Gloria, better destroy IT...

IT is a letter bomb...

Destroy IT, lest others may find IT and use IT as a reason to hate

themselves for finding IT, and then passing IT on to others...)

 

In Dutch 'original sin' is also called 'erf zonde', the sin that you

'inherit'.

Ah, what a hand-me-down... Is it not about time that we stop this nonsense.

 

Do not recycle a letter bomb.

 

Wim,

Inciting you to try some unadulterated unconditional love for your SELF,

unconditional... that means 'any which way'

 

PS

Christmas coming up...

'Emanuel', God is WITH us, immanently us.

Let's recover our original BIRTH!

The right to eternal life, the birth right of the human divine / divine

human.

 

Emanuel

Manuel

Human-U-El

 

Human, you are God.

 

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---In , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote:

> The Revival of Self-love

> by Jean-pierre de Caussade

> from "Spiritual Letters"

> One of self-love's subtle and unperceived illusions is to seek to

discover the stage reached in your mystical dying, under pretext of

getting to know what it must do to make that death in you still more

thorough.

>

> In this life you will never make this discovery, nor is it to your

advantage to do so. For even in the case of a soul that has

completely died to the self, there is the risk of the self's revival

if this discovery be made. This, because self-love's satisfaction at

such an assurance would be so excessive that it would revive, and

enter upon a new life more subtle and more difficult to destroy than

the old.

>

 

 

Why worry?

 

Harsha

 

 

 

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/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Wim,

 

Your concern is appreciated, but I feel it is misplaced. Trust me,

this passage wasn't heard by me in the way you have interpreted it

here. In no way am I "down on my self." That you can even suggest so,

after knowing me on here for this length of time, is beyond me to

comprehend.

 

Over the past 30 years, I have read a lot of the writings of the old

Catholic saints and mystics and their genuine love and happiness

shines through, despite all the old fashioned terminology. Look at

the prayers of St. Francis, besides just the famous one. There are

some real treasures to be found in this literature if one can be open

to understanding them, despite the sometimes cumbersome language of

the times. Meister Eckhart's descriptions of the Godhead are

completely nondual, The Dark Night of the Soul,and many of these

spiritual classics, had very little in common with the prevailing

theology and politics of the times. Some of them were considered

heretics, or their writings were secret and undiscovered.

 

It's funny to me that post after post here may speak (unchallenged) of

no self, no doer, or transcending ego, and yet that is quite similar

to what is meant by mystical "dying to self" in the context of the

passage I quoted here. Abandonment to the will of God and surrender

were descriptive of union with God, (or realization) within that

Christian paradigm. People talked this way in the 17th century. This

has nothing to do with what is apparently your concern for healthy

self-esteem. Humility is not about thinking less of yourself, it is

about thinking about yourself less often.

 

When comparisons are made across religious and cultural contexts, it

is a mistake to assume the words are defined the same way. The ego of

Advaita and Buddhism and Freud are not equivalent terms.

People might extend the same courtesy and spirit of openess to hear

writers in their original context, before rushing to condemn them. I

realize that this quote required more than the usual generosity, but

to me it made a worthwhile point about self-obsession about where one

is at level-wise.

 

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria!

 

Nice line:

>Humility is not about thinking less of yourself,

>it is about thinking about yourself less often.

 

Thanks!

 

And could be added ... less intensely, with less involvement ...

 

So, what is it called when realizing that whatever

you've been thinking was yourself, and whatever

you've been intense about and involved in ...

isn't?

 

*What is*?

 

Humbly, in truth,

St. Dan

 

P.S. Yes, agreed this is an on-target point:

>to me it made a worthwhile point about self-obsession about where one

>is at, level-wise.

[Guest guest]

Dear Gloria,

 

You wrote:

>>>Trust me, this passage wasn't heard by me in the way you have interpreted

it here.<<<

 

It was by some though, it was not just me... And I only reacted to one

phrase... the word 'insidious' just stood out too much... :-)))

>>>In no way am I "down on my self." That you can even suggest so, after

knowing me on here for this length of time, is beyond me to comprehend. <<<

 

I know that!!! In the fire of me writing, that did not come through, my

heartfelt apologies...

What I wrote though, can still stand on its own, the kinds of text that you

quoted are very often interpreted wrongly...

>>>> Over the past 30 years, I have read a lot of the writings of the old

Catholic saints and mystics and their genuine love and happiness shines

through, despite all the old fashioned terminology. Look at the prayers of

St. Francis, besides just the famous one. There are some real treasures to

be found in this literature if one can be open to understanding them,

despite the sometimes cumbersome language of the times. Meister Eckhart's

descriptions of the Godhead are completely nondual, The Dark Night of the

Soul,and many of these spiritual classics, had very little in common with

the prevailing theology and politics of the times. Some of them were

considered heretics, or their writings were secret and undiscovered.<<<

 

I appreciate all that and I could not agree more... :-)

>>>>It's funny to me that post after post here may speak (unchallenged) of

no self, no doer, or transcending ego, and yet that is quite similar to what

is meant by mystical "dying to self" in the context of the passage I quoted

here. Abandonment to the will of God and surrender were descriptive of union

with God, (or realization) within that Christian paradigm. People talked

this way in the 17th century. This has nothing to do with what is apparently

your concern for healthy self-esteem. Humility is not about thinking less of

yourself, it is about thinking about yourself less often. <<<

 

"Thinking" is the problematic and quintessential word here...

>>>People might extend the same courtesy and spirit of openess to hear

writers in their original context, before rushing to condemn them. <<<<

 

I actually responded mostly to the phrase:

>>>> O God! how insidious is self-love! Twisting like a snake, only too

often it succeeds in preserving its life in the face of mortal threats.

There is no illusion more deceptive than this. <<<

>>>>I realize that this quote required more than the usual generosity, but

to me it made a worthwhile point about self-obsession about where one is at

level-wise.<<<<

 

"Why worry about it" said Harsha.

Notice that just the observation to figure out "where one is at level

wise..." is a sign of .... (you guessed it) ...un warranted self obsession.

 

I hope you can now read what I wrote in the same vein as the way you

expected me to read your quote... :-)))

You do have that sense of humour...!!!

 

Love, Gloria, Wim

(Both Humanly Obsessed in Divine Glory)

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