Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dear Vicki, I can't let you be like this. I hope you did not understand something wrong what I wrote. The point was not at all the fact that you pray to Sri Ramana. I say it very openly and clearly once again: I am also praying to Sri Ramana with words and without - sometimes very childlike. But the deepest prayer is the silence in the heart. The point was, I felt so sorry for you, that you must pray like this to Sri Ramana: "please help me not to dellude myself and others , please help me not to deceive myself and others; i want nothing , nothing , nothing , i'd rather die alone but please don't let me be like those people who take themselves for Selfrealized and they are not, please help me not to end like any one of them." I see, dear Vicki, you are struggling against "false teachers" or teachers who think they are realized and are not. There may be many. There may also be many teachers, who say they are realized and really are! There may be others who say they are realizes and are partially, if that is possible. How can we judge? Only a Jnani can clearly see who is a Jnani and who not. But what is the problem for you personally? You are in the fold of Sri Ramana - one of the greatest teachers the world ever has seen - so nothing, really nothing can happen to you. It is alright to warn others to be careful. One really can get lost in the "internet-teacher-jungle". But is there any need to struggle like this ? And why need you pray: "help me not to end like any one of them?" Why should you end this way? Is there any serious danger for you to end this way? That it was what I meant. Not the fact that you are praying to Sri Ramana. Dear Vicki, your devotion to Ramana is very welcome here! Please believe!!! True, this list is more open as the Ramana-Maharshi-List and others and there are different opinions and ways. There are discussions and interpretations here, yes, sometimes even "struggles" and a kind of a "spiritual battlefield". Sometimes a good sense of humour is demanded. But this list is dedicated to Ramana and Harsha is one of the most serious Ramana-devotees. He surely will assure you, when he is back, that you are right here and your quotes, your devotion and surrender to Ramana are very welcome. And here is my prayer to Ramana: I bow to you, my true Self, Ramana. Lead me back the way I came so that you and I are one. Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Love to you, Vicki Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 ......prayer is one of the dharma doors we are given....if, while in prayer, you meet a lamb on the road, slay it and make of it a penitential sacrifice and so find freedom from the past....eventually, the lamb will reveal itself to be a wolfe in sheep's clothing come to deceive you yet one more time.....if you meet a buddha on the road, kill him.....the only true teacher is found in the mirror of the beloved who resides in the empty cave of the sacred heart.....look within for the beloved.....then you will see that love manifests itself in all creation.....not in just this rose one or in just that bright stallion.....love is the archer, love is the bow, love is arrow, love is the fugitive hart....the sacred heart of the beloved is the source and ground of all creation....^^~~~~~~ further up and further in, white wolfe - Gabriele Ebert Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:39 PM prayer to Sri Ramana Dear Vicki, I can't let you be like this. I hope you did not understand something wrong what I wrote. The point was not at all the fact that you pray to Sri Ramana. I say it very openly and clearly once again: I am also praying to Sri Ramana with words and without - sometimes very childlike. But the deepest prayer is the silence in the heart. The point was, I felt so sorry for you, that you must pray like this to Sri Ramana: "please help me not to dellude myself and others , please help me not to deceive myself and others; i want nothing , nothing , nothing , i'd rather die alone but please don't let me be like those people who take themselves for Selfrealized and they are not, please help me not to end like any one of them." I see, dear Vicki, you are struggling against "false teachers" or teachers who think they are realized and are not. There may be many. There may also be many teachers, who say they are realized and really are! There may be others who say they are realizes and are partially, if that is possible. How can we judge? Only a Jnani can clearly see who is a Jnani and who not. But what is the problem for you personally? You are in the fold of Sri Ramana - one of the greatest teachers the world ever has seen - so nothing, really nothing can happen to you. It is alright to warn others to be careful. One really can get lost in the "internet-teacher-jungle". But is there any need to struggle like this ? And why need you pray: "help me not to end like any one of them?" Why should you end this way? Is there any serious danger for you to end this way? That it was what I meant. Not the fact that you are praying to Sri Ramana. Dear Vicki, your devotion to Ramana is very welcome here! Please believe!!! True, this list is more open as the Ramana-Maharshi-List and others and there are different opinions and ways. There are discussions and interpretations here, yes, sometimes even "struggles" and a kind of a "spiritual battlefield". Sometimes a good sense of humour is demanded. But this list is dedicated to Ramana and Harsha is one of the most serious Ramana-devotees. He surely will assure you, when he is back, that you are right here and your quotes, your devotion and surrender to Ramana are very welcome. And here is my prayer to Ramana: I bow to you, my true Self, Ramana. Lead me back the way I came so that you and I are one. Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Love to you, Vicki Gabriele /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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