[thomasmerton] The First Priest

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ah....well...., this is why white wolfe almost always refers to the

beloved.....who is the beloved.....for a man, it must needs be a

woman....for a woman, it must needs be a man.....i will side-step the

complex issue of homo-sexuality here for a moment.....this is the real

metaphysical argument against chastity and a chaste

priesthood.....perhaps it is why most priests are in-effectual

counselors to married couples....they are unfamiliar with the

territory of true surrender and compromise over difficult issues like

should the children eat there vegetables tonight (no sarcasm intended

- many marriages crumble on simple stumbling blocks such as

this).....non-duality is discovered, among other places, when two

lovers unite in holy matrimony and mutually surrender one to the

other.....but perhaps, before the divine we are all feminine....so it

only makes sense that the universal mother of us all

(mary/shakti/tara/mary/arianrhod,etc.) is the first priest.....i, for

one, have always found mary the most compelling image(s) within the

catholic pantheon to be the immaculate heart of mary and the sacred

heart of jesus.....i use the rosary regularly in my contemplative

practice along with lectio divina....who has seen such sorrow as

sorrow of a mother burying a son (christian).....or, even more

harrowing, a mother eating one of her off-spring (hindu).....our

salvation has been purchased at a great price, but the salvation of

our children comes at an even higher one.....^^~~~~~~

further up and further in,

white wolfe

-

Patrick Collins

thomasmerton

Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:28 PM

Re: [thomasmerton] The First Priest

I am one of the "older" breed (once the New Breed after Vatican II!)

and agree with you, Jonathan. Patrick Collins Jonathan & Melissa

Hunter-Kilmer <hkonline (AT) starpower (DOT) net> wrote: In my experience, the

younger and more "fertile"priests are more conservative -- our

associate pastor even insists that JPII has said infallibly that

women cannot be ordained, though there has been no such statement

ex-cathedra. The most "progressive" priests I know are the older

ones, perhaps because they have seen a bit of what the world is

really like and what His voice really sounds like. But that's just my

own bias. I'm sure a persuasive argument could be made for the

opposite point of view. But still, when Teresa of Avila, Catherine of

Sienna and Therese of Lisieux all felt called to the priesthood, a

person as unsophisticated as I am has to wonder.Jonathan> Mmmm...very

touching words indeed.Something to really> to think about. Spence> > >

--- Dolores Neese wrote:> > Someone posted this on another list, and

it moved me> > to the core. The poet is Frances C. Frank. > > > > Did

the woman say,> > When she held him for the first time in the> > dark

dank of a stable, after the pain, and > > the bleeding, and the

crying,> > "This is my body; this is my blood?"> > > > Did the woman

say,> > When she held him for the last time in the> > dark rain on a

hilltop, after the pain, and> > the bleeding, and dying,> > "This is

my body; this is my blood?"> > > > Well that she said it to him

then,> > For dry old men, brocaded robes> > belying barrenness,> >

Ordain that she not say it for him now.> > > > > > Dolores> > > > >

> >

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