My reply to Harsha's comments/ used to be to Vicki: the newcomers look

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, "Lynette" <Lynette@k...> wrote:

> Well, Jody, all I can say, is who is in whom's shoes?

 

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but I'll offer that

I'm in Harsha's shoes in that I can understand why he is

offended by some of the things Wim puts up.

> We each deal with things, based on our past experiences... Recoil if one

> must, but be aware that in the recoiling, one might be missing something

> about themselves.

 

Perhaps, but psychobabble aside, siddhis and communicating with

the dearly departed have exactly zero to do with the Self or

jnana yoga as it is expounded by Ramana.

> Can you speak from experience Jody? Or only from skeptism?

 

In the face of extraordinary claims, skepticism is the most

reasonable stance in the absence of extraordinary evidence.

> Do you know Wim, or do you know Ramana?

 

I only know of Wim by what he puts up. I didn't know Ramana

but I have some comprehension of his teaching, intellectually

and experientially.

> Have you seen the machine, have you experienced the

> machine?

 

I have no experience with the machine, but the very idea of

such a machine is dubious in my opinion. And it has nothing

to do with jnana yoga whatsoever.

> Have you spoke to the dead? Or walked among the spirits? Or do you

> believe such things are not possible?

 

I don't regularly communicate with the dead. Perhaps such things

are possible at times, but regardless, they have nothing at all

to do with jnana yoga.

> I know wim, I do not know Ramana, I have seen the machine, and used the

> machine... And regardless of your skeptism, to count my experiences and my

> knowing as negative or convenient or silly, well.... Is to basically call me

> a liar.

 

Not at all Lynette. If you have complete faith in your understanding,

it can never be a lie, whether or not it is actually true.

> And I dont really think that was your intent, or was it Jody?

>

> Love, Lynette

 

Of course not. I'm merely suggesting that suggestability might

play a role in your understanding. If you are motiviated to believe

in Wim's machine because you like Wim and also believe in such things,

then the suggestion of its veracity exists in your mind prior to

your actually encountering the thing. So when you do, you are

predisposed to believe in it, and interpret your experience of it

through the lens of this belief.