Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 In a message dated 1/6/02 7:25:28 AM Mountain Standard Time, crookedlace writes: << I dont say that I am Enlightened. Even if it were true, I can not phathom what would possess me to share such a highly personal thing. If I am serene in my own knowledge, in my actions, in my being, then what more do I need that I should turn outwards to others for reassurance, acceptance, validation? hb: you're absolutely right because there would be no "you" left to need validation! ah well, just a few questions that were wandering around my mind this morning. Today is a good day. I hope you all enjoy it. >> hb: it's a wonderful day, thank you for your post. Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Dear list, After giving it some thought,I still have a novice question that i hope you will be so kind as to indulge. If I am enlightened, who decides that I am so? Do I decide it for myself and proclaim it to the world? Do those around me decide it and proclaim it to the world? Do I decide that i have attained it and bask in my own self knowledge without sharing it? Do others decide i have attained it and accept it without verbal acknowledgement? If others make that decision, as to my Enlightenment, how do they come to such a conclusion? By my words? by my actions? by what is inside my being? If by my words, how can one know if they are true and not just dissiminated for the purpose of my own glorification, worn as a mantle for others to see and proclaim what an Enlightened being i am? If by my actions, how can there be "no doer"? If by what is inside my being, how can others know what is inside my being without reliance upon my words or deeds? Is it important for others to know and accept that I am Enlightened and if so why? I dont say that I am Enlightened. Even if it were true, I can not phathom what would possess me to share such a highly personal thing. If I am serene in my own knowledge, in my actions, in my being, then what more do I need that I should turn outwards to others for reassurance, acceptance, validation? ah well, just a few questions that were wandering around my mind this morning. Today is a good day. I hope you all enjoy it. Love Gracie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 About the (un)certainty of enlightenment, and true freedom..... a quote.... When we speak our assessments as assertions, that is, as if they are the truth, a blind certainty and intolerance to other points of view emerges. Because it is so comforting to think that we have actually found the truth, we sometimes hold onto it for dear life. However, if we are really fortunate, something will penetrate our false armor of certainty. The confusion that follows is disconcerting, but we now have a chance at regaining our freedom. -Michael Dettmers >>>> Dear list, After giving it some thought,I still have a novice question that i hope you will be so kind as to indulge. If I am enlightened, who decides that I am so? Do I decide it for myself and proclaim it to the world? Do those around me decide it and proclaim it to the world? Do I decide that i have attained it and bask in my own self knowledge without sharing it? Do others decide i have attained it and accept it without verbal acknowledgement? If others make that decision, as to my Enlightenment, how do they come to such a conclusion? By my words? by my actions? by what is inside my being? If by my words, how can one know if they are true and not just dissiminated for the purpose of my own glorification, worn as a mantle for others to see and proclaim what an Enlightened being i am? If by my actions, how can there be "no doer"? If by what is inside my being, how can others know what is inside my being without reliance upon my words or deeds? Is it important for others to know and accept that I am Enlightened and if so why? I dont say that I am Enlightened. Even if it were true, I can not phathom what would possess me to share such a highly personal thing. If I am serene in my own knowledge, in my actions, in my being, then what more do I need that I should turn outwards to others for reassurance, acceptance, validation? ah well, just a few questions that were wandering around my mind this morning. Today is a good day. I hope you all enjoy it. Love Gracie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 On 1/6/02 at 4:05 PM Mirror wrote: ºAbout the (un)certainty of enlightenment, and true freedom..... a ºquote.... º ºWhen we speak our assessments as assertions, that is, as if they are the ºtruth, a blind certainty and intolerance to other points of view emerges. ºBecause it is so comforting to think that we have actually found the truth, ºwe sometimes hold onto it for dear life. However, if we are really ºfortunate, something will penetrate our false armor of certainty. The ºconfusion that follows is disconcerting, but we now have a chance at ºregaining our freedom. º -Michael Dettmers Marpa, Milarepa's guru, was so "fortunate" as to have some false views broken. His guru, Naropa, had warned but to no avail. Marpa lost a son and none of his siddhis could prevent that death. Jan º º º º>>>> ºDear list, ºAfter giving it some thought,I still have a novice question that i ºhope you will be so kind as to indulge. ºIf I am enlightened, who decides that I am so? ºDo I decide it for myself and proclaim it to the world? ºDo those around me decide it and proclaim it to the world? ºDo I decide that i have attained it and bask in my own self ºknowledge without sharing it? ºDo others decide i have attained it and accept it without verbal ºacknowledgement? ºIf others make that decision, as to my Enlightenment, how do they ºcome to such a conclusion? By my words? by my actions? by what is ºinside my being? ºIf by my words, how can one know if they are true and not just ºdissiminated for the purpose of my own glorification, worn as a ºmantle for others to see and proclaim what an Enlightened being i am? ºIf by my actions, how can there be "no doer"? ºIf by what is inside my being, how can others know what is inside my ºbeing without reliance upon my words or deeds? ºIs it important for others to know and accept that I am Enlightened ºand if so why? ºI dont say that I am Enlightened. Even if it were true, I can not ºphathom what would possess me to share such a highly personal thing. ºIf I am serene in my own knowledge, in my actions, in my being, then ºwhat more do I need that I should turn outwards to others for ºreassurance, acceptance, validation? ºah well, just a few questions that were wandering around my mind this ºmorning. ºToday is a good day. I hope you all enjoy it. ºLove Gracie º º º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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