Harsha Satsanghs's preamble was RE: Wim, a reminder of l...

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That Jody has trouble noticing personal self doubt by almost obsessively

shifting the focus onto doubting others is fully understandable... The

reason for self doubt HAS to be found in others rather than in oneself. It

is however the ORIGINAL perpetrator of that doubt around Jody, who has to be

discovered. Jody is getting there. I am happy to serve temporarily as the

recipient of that doubt, but as you notice I keep steering the focus back...

it is not me who needs to be dealt with, it is the original manipulator

around Jody who needs to be dispelled.

Hi Wim...

I'm not defending Jody, as he certainly needs no defense. I will talk

to you about how I come up with what you may see as Jody/whoever

having doubts about you, when in essence you say it would be our own

self-doubting.

Neither of those are right. That is a bunch of hogwash. It isn't

about doubting at all. It is about knowing. Knowing who you are.

When one knows who they are, they know the other automatically. I'm

sure you will agree, as you probably know what doubt/self-doubt

looks/feels like -- you've experienced it.... so when you see it in

another, you know it.

That's not what this is about either. It's about knowing. Knowing who you are.

We all have had experiences that led us to getting to know ourselves a

little bit better. Just like you have, too, I'm sure. We take those

experiences and learn from them -- what it is that took us offcenter,

out of the heart. I'm not speaking about the word heart/loving/love

that we give or don't give. I'm speaking about getting to know

ourselves and what it is/was that brought us off this center. Once

we understand that, we know ourselves a little bit better than we did

before. We won't respond to the same experience the same as we did

before. We know (ourselves) better now each time we do this.

I don't see Jody getting offcenter, doubting or self-doubting as you

say... he's just playing around with you, by his choice. This is

what you asked for! For someone to play with you. I do the same at

times. If he ever wanted to stop playing with you, he would have

because he would know it is taking him offcenter, including being

tired of playing around. Just as he said you were not welcome at his

home -- the thought of you visiting took him offcenter. He's very

clear on that part of himself , too -- has nothing to do with you.

Have fun playing if you can get around Gloria. You may have to take

it out of the play yard. But then it wouldn't be the play yard, so

what's the use. :-)

Love,

xxxtg

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What Jody does, and what Mark did, actually does not fit... and hey, lo and

behold, Wim is chastised... That is quite OK with me, I understand that,

that happens... And I am so free as to turn that bust into an boon.

Geez Wim, would you stop making yourself a victim here? Harsha

immediately put a stop to the totally inappropriate Wim/Mark

conversation... and it stopped until you brought it up again a while

later. As to yours & Jody's, we all chipped in with our thoughts,

opinions, and beliefs. We all wanted to play along. Some didn't.

Is that not okay to do this, when this is what you asked for? When

you become clearer on what it is you are wanting re: play, please let

us know.

I repeat what you said next... "Sure I am direct and I am in your

face... No denying that... Why skating around the issues, beating

around the bush, do we have any 'sacred cows' to protect?

Just playing,

Love,

xxxtg