Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 per Harsha's request - Gregory Goode ; Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:18 PM About E-mail communications (was: pattern of higher attunement) Hi Harsha and Lobster and others,That's right, e-mail communication does deserve care and consideration.One one hand, it's evanescent. On the other, it's archived for years onvarious servers. E-mail is a medium I've been using since 1982 withvarying degrees of skilfulness. I like to:-treat what others write as confidential, even if it's sent to a list.-treat what I write as public -- who knows where it might end up?-never make something personal unless saying something positive.-listen with kindness and openness and care-give credit to others, acknowledge their concerns-if writing a criticism, direct it towards a position or concept, not a person or their supposed motive or state or experience or conduct.-use AHIMSA!! Here's a relevant example, which applies to *e-mail* but, as Bruce-ji might be able to attest, not necessarily to all forms of published communication, such as magazine articles: if there's a choice between saying something in either of two ways, either (a) clever and biting, or (b) pedestrian and bland, opt for the latter.-don't catch the disease of "teacheritis," thinking that I can speak to another person as though they came to me for deep teachings!There is a set of standards I like, borrowed from the intro message to theGroups' "Dharma-Direct" mailing list, about "right speech":1. Is it the truth? 2. Is it fair to all concerned? 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?. Ideal Guidelines:- 1) If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say it. 2) If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it. 3) If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it. 4) If it is both truthful and helpful, wait for the right time.Love to all,--Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 Thanks Gloria! Greg did a great job. That makes for great reading Greg and is truly very good advice for us all. Harsha --- Gloria Lee <glee wrote: > per Harsha's request > > - > Gregory Goode > ; > > Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:18 PM > About E-mail communications (was: > pattern of higher attunement) > > > Hi Harsha and Lobster and others, > > That's right, e-mail communication does deserve care > and consideration. > One one hand, it's evanescent. On the other, it's > archived for years on > various servers. E-mail is a medium I've been using > since 1982 with > varying degrees of skilfulness. I like to: > > -treat what others write as confidential, even if > it's sent to a list. > -treat what I write as public -- who knows where it > might end up? > -never make something personal unless saying > something positive. > -listen with kindness and openness and care > -give credit to others, acknowledge their concerns > -if writing a criticism, direct it towards a > position or > concept, not a person or their supposed motive or > state or > experience or conduct. > -use AHIMSA!! Here's a relevant example, which > applies to > *e-mail* but, as Bruce-ji might be able to attest, > not necessarily to > all forms of published communication, such as > magazine articles: > if there's a choice between saying something in > either of two ways, either > (a) clever and biting, or (b) pedestrian and bland, > opt for the latter. > -don't catch the disease of "teacheritis," thinking > that I can > speak to another person as though they came to me > for deep teachings! > > There is a set of standards I like, borrowed from > the intro message to the > Groups' "Dharma-Direct" mailing list, about > "right speech": > > 1. Is it the truth? > 2. Is it fair to all concerned? > 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? > 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?. > > Ideal Guidelines:- > > 1) If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say > it. > 2) If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it. > 3) If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it. > 4) If it is both truthful and helpful, wait for the > right time. > > Love to all, > > --Greg > > > > ===== /join Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Glo, Greg & Friends, It's hard not to agree with the whole package you present here, yet I don't. Perhaps, my one disagreement is silently assumed by each of you. Still, in case it isn't, I'd like to say that The Truth, helpful or not, is an essential agreement for some of us. Let's face it. One man's (or woman's) "unhelpful" might be extraordinarily helpful to me, or, for that matter, to you. An opinion critical of a particular guru or philisophic position might be anathema to a follower, even if he thinks it may be true, but it might keep me or one of you from making a telling mistake. Perhaps, we can sum up what we all aspire to if we caution ourselves to always try to accompagny the truth with an attitude of good will, and a mode of expression allowing for that possibility. What do you think? yours in the bonds, eric , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote: > per Harsha's request > > - > Gregory Goode > ; > Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:18 PM > About E-mail communications (was: pattern of higher attunement) > > > Hi Harsha and Lobster and others, > > That's right, e-mail communication does deserve care and consideration. > One one hand, it's evanescent. On the other, it's archived for years on > various servers. E-mail is a medium I've been using since 1982 with > varying degrees of skilfulness. I like to: > > -treat what others write as confidential, even if it's sent to a list. > -treat what I write as public -- who knows where it might end up? > -never make something personal unless saying something positive. > -listen with kindness and openness and care > -give credit to others, acknowledge their concerns > -if writing a criticism, direct it towards a position or > concept, not a person or their supposed motive or state or > experience or conduct. > -use AHIMSA!! Here's a relevant example, which applies to > *e-mail* but, as Bruce-ji might be able to attest, not necessarily to > all forms of published communication, such as magazine articles: > if there's a choice between saying something in either of two ways, either > (a) clever and biting, or (b) pedestrian and bland, opt for the latter. > -don't catch the disease of "teacheritis," thinking that I can > speak to another person as though they came to me for deep teachings! > > There is a set of standards I like, borrowed from the intro message to the > Groups' "Dharma-Direct" mailing list, about "right speech": > > 1. Is it the truth? > 2. Is it fair to all concerned? > 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? > 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?. > > Ideal Guidelines:- > > 1) If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say it. > 2) If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it. > 3) If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it. > 4) If it is both truthful and helpful, wait for the right time. > > Love to all, > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Thanks Gloria! I knew you'd find it before I did! --Greg At 08:34 PM 1/20/02 -0800, Harsha wrote: >Thanks Gloria! Greg did a great job. > >That makes for great reading Greg and is truly very >good advice for us all. > >Harsha > >--- Gloria Lee <glee wrote: >> per Harsha's request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 I like what Greg is saying but I also like what you are saying Eric. That one can be nice, truthful, and spicy at the same time or depending on the context. Life is more than sweet rice pudding. Sometimes it's carrot pickle and sometimes it's hot pepper and sometimes its a mango drink. Harsha --- eblack101 <EBlackstead wrote: > Glo, Greg & Friends, > > It's hard not to agree with the whole package you > present here, yet I > don't. Perhaps, my one disagreement is silently > assumed by each of > you. Still, in case it isn't, I'd like to say that > The Truth, helpful > or not, is an essential agreement for some of us. > > Let's face it. One man's (or woman's) "unhelpful" > might be > extraordinarily helpful to me, or, for that matter, > to you. An > opinion critical of a particular guru or philisophic > position might > be anathema to a follower, even if he thinks it may > be true, but it > might keep me or one of you from making a telling > mistake. > > Perhaps, we can sum up what we all aspire to if we > caution ourselves > to always try to accompagny the truth with an > attitude of good will, > and a mode of expression allowing for that > possibility. What do you > think? > > yours in the bonds, > eric > > > > , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> > wrote: > > per Harsha's request > > > > - > > Gregory Goode > > ; > > Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:18 PM > > About E-mail communications (was: > pattern > of higher attunement) > > > > > > Hi Harsha and Lobster and others, > > > > That's right, e-mail communication does deserve > care and > consideration. > > One one hand, it's evanescent. On the other, it's > archived for > years on > > various servers. E-mail is a medium I've been > using since 1982 with > > varying degrees of skilfulness. I like to: > > > > -treat what others write as confidential, even if > it's sent to a > list. > > -treat what I write as public -- who knows where > it might end up? > > -never make something personal unless saying > something positive. > > -listen with kindness and openness and care > > -give credit to others, acknowledge their concerns > > -if writing a criticism, direct it towards a > position or > > concept, not a person or their supposed motive or > state or > > experience or conduct. > > -use AHIMSA!! Here's a relevant example, which > applies to > > *e-mail* but, as Bruce-ji might be able to attest, > not necessarily > to > > all forms of published communication, such as > magazine articles: > > if there's a choice between saying something in > either of two ways, > either > > (a) clever and biting, or (b) pedestrian and > bland, opt for the > latter. > > -don't catch the disease of "teacheritis," > thinking that I can > > speak to another person as though they came to me > for deep > teachings! > > > > There is a set of standards I like, borrowed from > the intro message > to the > > Groups' "Dharma-Direct" mailing list, about > "right speech": > > > > 1. Is it the truth? > > 2. Is it fair to all concerned? > > 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? > > > 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?. > > > > Ideal Guidelines:- > > > > 1) If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't > say it. > > 2) If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say > it. > > 3) If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say > it. > > 4) If it is both truthful and helpful, wait for > the right time. > > > > Love to all, > > > > --Greg > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, > places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all > experiences arise from and exist in and subside back > into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are > not different than the ocean, all things arising > from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. > Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within > into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > ===== /join Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Dear Eric -- Thanks for pointing to this truth. There isn't one absolute "helpful." So, there are many views of "helpful," all interacting. What is "helpful" in one perspective won't be "helpful" in another. And perspectives are colored by development, cognitive complexity, emotional involvements, beliefs, history, culture, intentions, and so on. Is "blandness" helpful, in which one takes pains to confront no issue, nor try to question any assumptions? Maybe from one perspective, this is so, yet from another -- quite unhelpful. If there is confrontation and questioning, and someone objects that he or she is hurt by this, and someone else finds the confronting or questioning helpful -- what then? Any student of history quickly sees that Hitler's quick rise to power had a lot to do with how "helpful" he was initially perceived as being, and he's only one among myriads of examples. According to reports, the Romans saw Jesus as quite "unhelpful", as did the established community of Jewish religious teachers, whose authority he questioned. If Jesus had been concerned not to question anyone's assumptions or sense of ideals concerning what they believed was "helpful", he probably wouldn't have taught. Peace, Dan Eric: (snip) > Let's face it. One man's (or woman's) "unhelpful" might be > extraordinarily helpful to me, or, for that matter, to you. An > opinion critical of a particular guru or philisophic position might > be anathema to a follower, even if he thinks it may be true, but it > might keep me or one of you from making a telling mistake. > > Perhaps, we can sum up what we all aspire to if we caution ourselves > to always try to accompagny the truth with an attitude of good will, > and a mode of expression allowing for that possibility. What do you > think? > > yours in the bonds, > eric > > > > , "Gloria Lee" <glee@c...> wrote: > > per Harsha's request > > > > - > > Gregory Goode > > ; > > Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:18 PM > > About E-mail communications (was: pattern > of higher attunement) > > > > > > Hi Harsha and Lobster and others, > > > > That's right, e-mail communication does deserve care and > consideration. > > One one hand, it's evanescent. On the other, it's archived for > years on > > various servers. E-mail is a medium I've been using since 1982 with > > varying degrees of skilfulness. I like to: > > > > -treat what others write as confidential, even if it's sent to a > list. > > -treat what I write as public -- who knows where it might end up? > > -never make something personal unless saying something positive. > > -listen with kindness and openness and care > > -give credit to others, acknowledge their concerns > > -if writing a criticism, direct it towards a position or > > concept, not a person or their supposed motive or state or > > experience or conduct. > > -use AHIMSA!! Here's a relevant example, which applies to > > *e-mail* but, as Bruce-ji might be able to attest, not necessarily > to > > all forms of published communication, such as magazine articles: > > if there's a choice between saying something in either of two ways, > either > > (a) clever and biting, or (b) pedestrian and bland, opt for the > latter. > > -don't catch the disease of "teacheritis," thinking that I can > > speak to another person as though they came to me for deep > teachings! > > > > There is a set of standards I like, borrowed from the intro message > to the > > Groups' "Dharma-Direct" mailing list, about "right speech": > > > > 1. Is it the truth? > > 2. Is it fair to all concerned? > > 3. Will it build good will and better friendships? > > 4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?. > > > > Ideal Guidelines:- > > > > 1) If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say it. > > 2) If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it. > > 3) If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it. > > 4) If it is both truthful and helpful, wait for the right time. > > > > Love to all, > > > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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