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Fitness for Self-enquiry I was reading through one of the letters

where a devotee asks the question, "Is this path Self-enquiry suited

for everybody," to which Bhagavan Ramana replies that it is "...only

for ripe souls. The rest should follow different methods according to

the state of their minds."

My question is, how do I know whether I am ready to take up this path

or not? Somehow, the Maharshi's answer is a little discouraging for

me. Please explain what all this means. Ramakrishna New Jersey The

path of Self-enquiry includes all other paths. Whatever practice you

take up, Self-enquiry will be its necessary end. So you need not

worry whether you are fit for the path of Self-enquiry. One should do

those spiritual practices that seem most natural and gives peace,

always keeping in mind that Self-enquiry is the essence of that

practice and the supreme path we all must tread. With sincere prayer,

openness of heart and guilelessness one can never go wrong. Bhagavan

watches over us and guides us. That is certain.

- Editors of the Mountain Path

(The Mountain Path, Vol. 2, 1997)

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The path of self-inquiry requires

that there be a place to situate

a self who can inquire about the nature

of a self.

 

It requires that there be conceived a

self that is assumed to have the ability

to look into itself.

 

If there is no place to situate a self

who can inquire into its nature, what

is this?

 

If there is no assumption of a self that

can look into itself, what now?

 

The basic question involved in self-inquiry

has no place to arise now, no one for whom

it could be relevant, and no attempt

to look into self results.

 

With no placement of a self, there is no sense

of another.

 

Hence, there is no question arising regarding who

am I, or who are you ...

 

With no question, there is no answer to be provided.

 

Just stillness, peace,

 

Love,

Dan

 

 

> Fitness for Self-enquiry

>

> I was reading through one of the letters where a devotee asks the

question, "Is this path Self-enquiry suited for everybody," to which

Bhagavan Ramana replies that it is "...only for ripe souls. The rest

should follow different methods according to the state of their minds."

>

> My question is, how do I know whether I am ready to take up this

path or not? Somehow, the Maharshi's answer is a little discouraging

for me. Please explain what all this means.

>

> Ramakrishna

> New Jersey

>

> The path of Self-enquiry includes all other paths. Whatever practice

you take up, Self-enquiry will be its necessary end. So you need not

worry whether you are fit for the path of Self-enquiry. One should do

those spiritual practices that seem most natural and gives peace,

always keeping in mind that Self-enquiry is the essence of that

practice and the supreme path we all must tread. With sincere prayer,

openness of heart and guilelessness one can never go wrong. Bhagavan

watches over us and guides us. That is certain.

>

> - Editors of the Mountain Path

>

> (The Mountain Path, Vol. 2, 1997)

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, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

> The path of self-inquiry requires

> that there be a place to situate

> a self who can inquire about the nature

> of a self.

 

If understood correctly, it also requires awareness 'aware of'

awareness -- which could be called a meditative state of affairs.

Not bad, not bad :-).

> It requires that there be conceived a

> self that is assumed to have the ability

> to look into itself.

 

The definitions of 'self' are all over the map...

> If there is no place to situate a self

> who can inquire into its nature, what

> is this?

 

It is: "no place to situate a self who can inquire into its nature."

> If there is no assumption of a self that

> can look into itself, what now?

 

What now? Now, of course :-).

> The basic question involved in self-inquiry

> has no place to arise now, no one for whom

> it could be relevant, and no attempt

> to look into self results.

 

It happens anyway (or appears to), fancy that :-).

> With no placement of a self, there is no sense

> of another.

 

Given...

> Hence, there is no question arising regarding who

> am I, or who are you ...

 

Careful... to negate Ramana's recommendations on this list makes

people unhappy.

> With no question, there is no answer to be provided.

 

Big deal. Most would say "I have questions" anyway... and take any

suggestion otherwise as a suggestion to drop all questions (e.g. yet

another action creating further questions). Round & round we go...

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

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, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> Fitness for Self-enquiry

>

> I was reading through one of the letters where a devotee asks the

question, "Is this path Self-enquiry suited for everybody," to which

Bhagavan Ramana replies that it is "...only for ripe souls. The rest

should follow different methods according to the state of their

minds."

>

> My question is, how do I know whether I am ready to take up this

path or not? Somehow, the Maharshi's answer is a little discouraging

for me. Please explain what all this means.

>

> Ramakrishna

> New Jersey

>

> The path of Self-enquiry includes all other paths. Whatever practice

you take up, Self-enquiry will be its necessary end. So you need not

worry whether you are fit for the path of Self-enquiry. One should do

those spiritual practices that seem most natural and gives peace,

always keeping in mind that Self-enquiry is the essence of that

practice and the supreme path we all must tread. With sincere prayer,

openness of heart and guilelessness one can never go wrong. Bhagavan

watches over us and guides us. That is certain.

>

> Try Transcendental Meditation first. It cuts right through the mind

via the power of the mantra. That's the end of SelfEnquiry as a

mental technique. Then Heart meditation begins. And don't

forget to get the audio tapes (CD's or regular casettes) from

www.arunachala.org.; including the Veda Parayana, and Sanskrit Hymns

from Ramanasramam. I assume everybody has the video. Play the

audios as much as possible. Don't leave your uncertain

position up to solutions by anything less than the most

powerful and effective techniques. Techniques begin, then in

due time the Heart takes over. Sincerely, jiva

>

> (The Mountain Path, Vol. 2, 1997)

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, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

> The path of self-inquiry requires

> that there be a place to situate

> a self who can inquire about the nature

> of a self.

>

> It requires that there be conceived a

> self that is assumed to have the ability

> to look into itself.

>

> If there is no place to situate a self

> who can inquire into its nature, what

> is this?

>

> If there is no assumption of a self that

> can look into itself, what now?

>

> The basic question involved in self-inquiry

> has no place to arise now, no one for whom

> it could be relevant, and no attempt

> to look into self results.

>

> With no placement of a self, there is no sense

> of another.

>

> Hence, there is no question arising regarding who

> am I, or who are you ...

>

> With no question, there is no answer to be provided.

>

> Just stillness, peace,

>

> Love,

> Dan

>

>There's a certain amount of circular reasoning here. Bhagavan is

saying that one can abide in the Self through the Self; but

countless people have asked him about this. If they are unaware of

the Self to begin with (by "they" is meant Joe or Mary);

then they are likely to be discouraged. I recommend

Transcendetnal Meditation. It cuts right through the

mind quickly so that "one" is Self-aware. Dispense with

the intellectual approach of Self-Enquiry altogether.

It's not necessary to "look" for the Source of thought

since TM takes the mind to its Source right away.

Sincerely, Jiva

>

> > Fitness for Self-enquiry

> >

> > I was reading through one of the letters where a devotee asks the

> question, "Is this path Self-enquiry suited for everybody," to which

> Bhagavan Ramana replies that it is "...only for ripe souls. The rest

> should follow different methods according to the state of their

minds."

> >

> > My question is, how do I know whether I am ready to take up this

> path or not? Somehow, the Maharshi's answer is a little discouraging

> for me. Please explain what all this means.

> >

> > Ramakrishna

> > New Jersey

> >

> > The path of Self-enquiry includes all other paths. Whatever

practice

> you take up, Self-enquiry will be its necessary end. So you need not

> worry whether you are fit for the path of Self-enquiry. One should

do

> those spiritual practices that seem most natural and gives peace,

> always keeping in mind that Self-enquiry is the essence of that

> practice and the supreme path we all must tread. With sincere

prayer,

> openness of heart and guilelessness one can never go wrong. Bhagavan

> watches over us and guides us. That is certain.

> >

> > - Editors of the Mountain Path

> >

> > (The Mountain Path, Vol. 2, 1997)

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> With no placement of a self, there is no sense> of

another.Given...> Hence, there is no question arising regarding who>

am I, or who are you ...Careful... to negate Ramana's recommendations

on this list makes people unhappy.

---We have survived worse events happening. :)

For some reason this really struck me as funny, Tim.

> With no question, there is no answer to be provided.Big deal. Most

would say "I have questions" anyway... and take any suggestion

otherwise as a suggestion to drop all questions (e.g. yet another

action creating further questions). Round & round we go...

---I see your point here too. Still, Ramana actually "answered" many questions

by making the questions disappear. Or so people reported.

Gloria

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