Linda/ Jill/Jiva/and the gang

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Thanks

Linda. You are the voice of experience and have been through some serious path

walking.

I guess

each must follow what suits them for the moment and what is right for them.

Jill has made some excellent points. She is a voice of experience and reason,

depth and compassion, goodness and love. She’s too good for Jerry.

Mazie,

Mike, Jill, and all the wonderful people. I love them. I really would not want

to be stuck with nondualists on a deserted island quoting me the Vedas all the

time and trying to free the people. Let me breathe some fresh air and drink the

well water. Let me cry on the bank of the ocean.

Ultimately,

everyone probably stops at some point and asks, “What the heck am I doing?” And

the doing may be anything - like

following a teacher, doing a mantra, doing yoga and all. All those things are

good.

But some

people will still ask, “What the heck am I doing in doing this?” Who am I to do

this? What do I want? Who am I to want it? What is a want? Where is it coming

from? Really, really.

I think

that honest inquiry can be painful. I don’t know if its right for everyone

either.

Some

cannot avoid the direct look. It looks through them into them.

I see the

utter endless emptiness and have no choice but to breathe it in and breathe it

out. Or is it breathing me in and out, who knows.

We all

have to do what we have to do.

If we can

love each other while doing it, it seems to make it more pleasant.

Love to

all

Harsha

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da

[jyotish (AT) warwick (DOT) net]

Thursday, January 31, 2002

2:57 PM

Re:

Jill/Jiva/and the gang

Hi,

This

topic is timely for me as I have often questioned techniques, teachings and

paths. In my own pursuit I have gone from doing up to 3 hours of

yoga/mantra/meditation per day for years to doing nothing except observing and

everything in between.

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Often

during consultations I will suggest a particular technique for someone based on

what is happening in one's chart. I do not know of anyone who became

enlightened through techniques though I have see many spiral deeper into

illusion and ego through doing too much yoga. However, there is value to

chants, asanas, meditations, etc. Perhaps, as Jerry claims it is a form

of hypnosis but if one is using the techniques to bring oneself away from

stress, anger, confusion or depression into a sense of self than there is an

important value in that.

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At this

point in my own practice I use yoga to keep my body strong and my stress levels

under control and I will use mantra to 'self-hypnotize' myself away from

focusing on how little I like the circumstances of my current living

situation. Years ago I was more of a yoga purist and believed that it was

only through the discipline of a path that I could achieve the goal. Now

I no longer believe that and know that only staying steady in the true self will

get me there but I also believe that various techniques are necessary to keep

the body and mind operational while I move through some very sticky karmic

situations.

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Each

path is a bit unique and what the tools have fashioned will be tested by

life. Guess the challenge can be not to sacrifice the creation in

defense of the paintbrush.

Linda

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>You pee all over TM and now give your particulars and tell us you are

>looking for a girl friend (who does TM).

>Actually I enjoyed what you wrote. Frankly, an honest inquiry is

what I >see

>you doing here. There is no harm in questioning the fundamental

>assumptions

>behind any method, technique, or tradition. Jody and Bruce are pointing

>to

>that questioning. If people are afraid of that, they need to be

asking >why?

>Self-honesty is all we've got.

Love to all

Harsha

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ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where

the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the

ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where

the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true

devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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