Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of life and in doing so refreshes the soul. (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center around Western classical music.) I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, I love: - Gregorian chants - Gospel music - Hindu bhajans - Buddhist sutra chanting (at home, I have a little ac/dc electronic box that plays a constant "Amituofo" chant 24/7/365) - Deep space music - Electronic trance anthems - Disco What do others like? --Greg At 05:43 PM 2/6/02 -0500, Akilesh Ayyar wrote: >How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can >at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is >insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy >and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast >perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of >life and in doing so refreshes the soul. > >(In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center >around Western classical music.) > >I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a >slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense >pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question >is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? > > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Kitaro Kokin Gumi (Japanese group) Hindu Bhajans (very limited) Some electronica (J.M. Jarre style) Some other "new age" (the vast majority is junk) As for "spirituality" -- toss it. Boring. Cheers, Tim , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, I love: > > - Gregorian chants > - Gospel music > - Hindu bhajans > - Buddhist sutra chanting (at home, > I have a little ac/dc electronic > box that plays a constant "Amituofo" > chant 24/7/365) > - Deep space music > - Electronic trance anthems > - Disco > > What do others like? > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh writes: > How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music > can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire > universe is > insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both > joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast > perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle > of life and in doing so refreshes the soul. > > (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests > center around Western classical music.) > > I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be > a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense > pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my > question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? > The simple answer is an emphatic yes. Music has a unique communicative power that comes from it's non-imagic, non- symbolic nature -- any such associations are overlays not intrinsic or necessary to the mysterious effect and power of music itself. Anyone doubting this with regard to "Western classical music" is invited to listen to "The Gould Variations / The Best Of Glenn Gould" on the Sony Classical label. The "spiritual" gist of much South Asian and Middle Eastern music is also duly noted, of course, but I defer to more knowedgeable others for any CD recommendation(s). :-) http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, > > What do others like? Brittney Spears, (and all other plasticized lip-synchers), rap, including anything else that utilizes theft of digitally stolen sounds, and finally, anything else molded, shaped and polished by big corporate record companies to achieve a sound that's been stamped-out in the same spirit as a fast-food hamburger. David (wonders if what we listen to indicates anything about us) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, I love: > > - Gregorian chants > - Gospel music > - Hindu bhajans > - Buddhist sutra chanting (at home, > I have a little ac/dc electronic > box that plays a constant "Amituofo" > chant 24/7/365) > - Deep space music > - Electronic trance anthems > - Disco > > What do others like? > > --Greg Downtempo (Tosca, Jaffa, Ninja Tunes artists, Kid Loco, Hefner) and Chill (Zero 7, Air, Blue States, Bonobo, Neotropic, Boards of Canada) and Dreampop (Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine, The Sundays, Ivy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to it, being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having built my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour USA" with Willis Conover http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence on the taste for music. Salsa Merengue Cumbia Son Fado Morna Funana Coladeira Raga Jazz (swing) Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs Jan On 2/6/02 at 6:01 PM Gregory Goode wrote: ºMusic is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these ºpurposes, I love: º º- Gregorian chants º- Gospel music º- Hindu bhajans º- Buddhist sutra chanting (at home, º I have a little ac/dc electronic º box that plays a constant "Amituofo" º chant 24/7/365) º- Deep space music º- Electronic trance anthems º- Disco º ºWhat do others like? º º--Greg º ºAt 05:43 PM 2/6/02 -0500, Akilesh Ayyar wrote: º>How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can º>at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is º>insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy º>and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast º>perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of º>life and in doing so refreshes the soul. º> º>(In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center º>around Western classical music.) º> º>I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a º>slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense º>pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question º>is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? º> º> º> º> º>/join º> º> º> º> º> º>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º> º> º> º>Your use of is subject to º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Thanks JB, you reminded me of the Latin music I love so much! I play the timbales too! When I hear it, my body is incapable of staying still! Salsa Son Gua-guanco Charanga Bolero Cumbia Rancheras Thanks! --Greg At 01:02 AM 2/7/02 +0000, jb wrote: >Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to it, >being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having built >my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour USA" >with Willis Conover http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html >as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power >switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework >Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence on >the taste for music. > >Salsa >Merengue >Cumbia >Son >Fado >Morna >Funana >Coladeira >Raga >Jazz (swing) >Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs > >Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 My pleasure! timbales are great percussion instruments - chromatic percussion is a class in itself and i used it in a few pieces i made. Not long ago, there was quite a choice in Internet radio regarding salsa and a great one was Fiesta 106 from Venezuela - it too was closed down because of the required extra fee for Internet broadcasting.. If you ever get to Caracas, tune in Jan On 2/6/02 at 10:07 PM Gregory Goode wrote: ºThanks JB, you reminded me of the Latin music I love so much! I play the ºtimbales too! When I hear it, my body is incapable of staying still! º ºSalsa ºSon ºGua-guanco ºCharanga ºBolero ºCumbia ºRancheras º ºThanks! º º--Greg º ºAt 01:02 AM 2/7/02 +0000, jb wrote: º>Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to ºit, º>being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having ºbuilt º>my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour ºUSA" º>with Willis Conover ºhttp://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html º>as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power º>switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework º º>Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence ºon º>the taste for music. º> º>Salsa º>Merengue º>Cumbia º>Son º>Fado º>Morna º>Funana º>Coladeira º>Raga º>Jazz (swing) º>Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs º> º>Jan º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear Ed, For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK availability? Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For the Sound and Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and plays us into being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken of by the saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also. love eric. On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com> writes: > How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music > can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire > universe is > insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both > joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast > perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle > of life and in doing so refreshes the soul. > > (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests > center around Western classical music.) > > I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be > a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense > pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my > question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? > The simple answer is an emphatic yes. Music has a unique communicative power that comes from it's non-imagic, non- symbolic nature -- any such associations are overlays not intrinsic or necessary to the mysterious effect and power of music itself. Anyone doubting this with regard to "Western classical music" is invited to listen to "The Gould Variations / The Best Of Glenn Gould" on the Sony Classical label. The "spiritual" gist of much South Asian and Middle Eastern music is also duly noted, of course, but I defer to more knowedgeable others for any CD recommendation(s). :-) http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Access Your PC from Anywhere Full setup in 2 minutes! - Free Download Click Here! ---~-> /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Thanks for info. Opinion mode on. Kirkpatrick and Landowska do not come close to Gould. I should like to hear this work on a fortepaino, as opposed to a pianoforte though. Opinion mode off. The CD is available stateside, not sure about the UK. It comes with an extra CD with some rare organ performances and some material on CD-ROM. It is a compilation of Gould playing various Bach movements over three decades of Columbia sessions. [opinion mode on] The Goldberg Variations do not need translation, they simply needed to be played correctly on an instrument that didn't exist in anything near its current form while during the composer's lifetime. Gould played better Bach on a modern Steinway than Landowska or Kirkpatrick could manage on a first-rate reproduction of an 18th century harpsichord -- the CD is a revelation of why he has no peer. [opinion mode off] On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:20:46 EST ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: Dear Ed, For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK availability? Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For the Sound and Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and plays us into being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken of by the saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also. love eric. On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com> writes: > How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music > can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire > universe is > insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both > joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast > perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle > of life and in doing so refreshes the soul. > > (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests > center around Western classical music.) > > I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be > a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense > pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my > question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality? > The simple answer is an emphatic yes. Music has a unique communicative power that comes from it's non-imagic, non- symbolic nature -- any such associations are overlays not intrinsic or necessary to the mysterious effect and power of music itself. Anyone doubting this with regard to "Western classical music" is invited to listen to "The Gould Variations / The Best Of Glenn Gould" on the Sony Classical label. The "spiritual" gist of much South Asian and Middle Eastern music is also duly noted, of course, but I defer to more knowedgeable others for any CD recommendation(s). :-) http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 The CD is available stateside, not sure about the UK. It comes with an extra CD with some rare organ performances and some material on CD-ROM. It is a compilation of Gould playing various Bach movements over three decades of Columbia sessions. [opinion mode on] The Goldberg Variations do not need translation, they simply needed to be played correctly on an instrument that didn't exist in anything near its current form while during the composer's lifetime. Gould played better Bach on a modern Steinway than Landowska or Kirkpatrick could manage on a first-rate reproduction of an 18th century harpsichord -- the CD is a revelation of why he has no peer. [opinion mode off] On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:20:46 EST ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: Dear Ed, For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK availability?Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For the Sound and Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and plays us into being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken of by the saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also.loveeric. On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com>writes:> How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music > can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire > universe is> insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both > joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast> perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle > of life and in doing so refreshes the soul.> > (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests > center around Western classical music.) > > I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be > a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense> pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my > question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?> The simple answer is an emphatic yes. Music has a unique communicative power that comes from it's non-imagic, non-symbolic nature -- any such associations are overlays not intrinsic or necessary to the mysterious effect and power of music itself.Anyone doubting this with regard to "Western classical music" is invited to listen to "The Gould Variations / The Best Of Glenn Gould" on the Sony Classical label. The "spiritual" gist of much South Asian and Middle Eastern music is also duly noted, of course, but I defer to more knowedgeable others for any CD recommendation(s). :-) http://come.to/realizationhttp://www.atman.net/realizationhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htmhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Eric, Ed & Friends, In my college years I remember stumbling on a small book in which the sayings of many different poets were collected, all to the effect that "all poetry aspires to music". I wish I had managed to keep it, but almost all my college books are gone. Really music is the supreme art. Almost everything that can be said of Consciousness or Love can also be said about music, if one can overlook the fact that all the music in this physical world eminates from a physical instrument. Still, once it's in the air... Further, as so many have pointed out, not all music is of this physical world... yours in the bonds, eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 > Further, as so many have pointed out, not all music is of this > physical world... Yes some music, especially drums and rythms, have the vibrational power to reach deep inside the mindbody and transform parts of it, even to the extent of making the listeners feel that the music is a part of their body and inside their bodies generated by themselves. It doesn't look as if the music has to be particularly serene to do that, it just requires a certain speed and sequence of varying speed (and vibration = tone) to do that. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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