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How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can

at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is

insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy

and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of

life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

 

(In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center

around Western classical music.)

 

I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a

slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question

is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

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Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, I

love:

 

- Gregorian chants

- Gospel music

- Hindu bhajans

- Buddhist sutra chanting (at home,

I have a little ac/dc electronic

box that plays a constant "Amituofo"

chant 24/7/365)

- Deep space music

- Electronic trance anthems

- Disco

 

What do others like?

 

--Greg

 

At 05:43 PM 2/6/02 -0500, Akilesh Ayyar wrote:

>How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can

>at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is

>insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy

>and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

>perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of

>life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

>

>(In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center

>around Western classical music.)

>

>I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a

>slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

>pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question

>is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

>

>

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>

>

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

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Kitaro

Kokin Gumi (Japanese group)

Hindu Bhajans (very limited)

Some electronica (J.M. Jarre style)

Some other "new age" (the vast majority is junk)

 

As for "spirituality" -- toss it. Boring.

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

 

, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

> Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these

purposes, I love:

>

> - Gregorian chants

> - Gospel music

> - Hindu bhajans

> - Buddhist sutra chanting (at home,

> I have a little ac/dc electronic

> box that plays a constant "Amituofo"

> chant 24/7/365)

> - Deep space music

> - Electronic trance anthems

> - Disco

>

> What do others like?

>

> --Greg

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On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh

writes:

> How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music

> can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire

> universe is

> insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both

> joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

> perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle

> of life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

>

> (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests

> center around Western classical music.)

>

> I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be

> a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

> pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my

> question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

>

The simple answer is an

emphatic yes. Music has

a unique communicative

power that comes from

it's non-imagic, non-

symbolic nature -- any

such associations are

overlays not intrinsic

or necessary to the

mysterious effect and

power of music itself.

 

Anyone doubting this

with regard to "Western

classical music" is

invited to listen to

"The Gould Variations /

The Best Of Glenn Gould"

on the Sony Classical

label. The "spiritual"

gist of much South

Asian and Middle Eastern

music is also duly

noted, of course, but I

defer to more

knowedgeable others for

any CD recommendation(s).

:-)

 

 

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http://www.atman.net/realization

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, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

> Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these

purposes,

>

> What do others like?

 

Brittney Spears, (and all other plasticized lip-synchers),

rap, including anything else that utilizes theft

of digitally stolen sounds,

and finally, anything else molded, shaped and polished

by big corporate record companies

to achieve a sound that's been stamped-out

in the same spirit as a fast-food hamburger.

 

David

(wonders if what we listen to indicates anything about us)

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, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

> Music is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these purposes, I

love:

>

> - Gregorian chants

> - Gospel music

> - Hindu bhajans

> - Buddhist sutra chanting (at home,

> I have a little ac/dc electronic

> box that plays a constant "Amituofo"

> chant 24/7/365)

> - Deep space music

> - Electronic trance anthems

> - Disco

>

> What do others like?

>

> --Greg

 

Downtempo (Tosca, Jaffa, Ninja Tunes artists, Kid Loco, Hefner)

 

and

 

Chill (Zero 7, Air, Blue States, Bonobo, Neotropic, Boards of Canada)

 

and

 

Dreampop (Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine, The Sundays, Ivy)

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Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to it,

being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having built

my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour USA"

with Willis Conover

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html

as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power

switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework :)

Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence on

the taste for music.

 

Salsa

Merengue

Cumbia

Son

Fado

Morna

Funana

Coladeira

Raga

Jazz (swing)

Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs

 

Jan

 

 

On 2/6/02 at 6:01 PM Gregory Goode wrote:

 

ºMusic is a wonderful adjunct to spirituality! For exactly these

ºpurposes, I love:

º

º- Gregorian chants

º- Gospel music

º- Hindu bhajans

º- Buddhist sutra chanting (at home,

º I have a little ac/dc electronic

º box that plays a constant "Amituofo"

º chant 24/7/365)

º- Deep space music

º- Electronic trance anthems

º- Disco

º

ºWhat do others like?

º

º--Greg

º

ºAt 05:43 PM 2/6/02 -0500, Akilesh Ayyar wrote:

º>How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music can

º>at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire universe is

º>insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both joy

º>and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

º>perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle of

º>life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

º>

º>(In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests center

º>around Western classical music.)

º>

º>I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be a

º>slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

º>pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my question

º>is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

º>

º>

º>

º>

º>/join

º>

º>

º>

º>

º>

º>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º>

º>

º>

º>Your use of is subject to

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to

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Thanks JB, you reminded me of the Latin music I love so much! I play the

timbales too! When I hear it, my body is incapable of staying still!

 

Salsa

Son

Gua-guanco

Charanga

Bolero

Cumbia

Rancheras

 

Thanks!

 

--Greg

 

At 01:02 AM 2/7/02 +0000, jb wrote:

>Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to it,

>being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having built

>my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour USA"

>with Willis Conover

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html

>as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power

>switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework :)

>Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence on

>the taste for music.

>

>Salsa

>Merengue

>Cumbia

>Son

>Fado

>Morna

>Funana

>Coladeira

>Raga

>Jazz (swing)

>Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs

>

>Jan

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My pleasure! timbales are great percussion instruments - chromatic percussion

is a class in itself and i used it in a few pieces i made. Not long ago, there

was

quite a choice in Internet radio regarding salsa and a great one was Fiesta

106 from Venezuela - it too was closed down because of the required extra fee

for Internet broadcasting.. If you ever get to Caracas, tune in :)

 

Jan

 

On 2/6/02 at 10:07 PM Gregory Goode wrote:

 

ºThanks JB, you reminded me of the Latin music I love so much! I play the

ºtimbales too! When I hear it, my body is incapable of staying still!

º

ºSalsa

ºSon

ºGua-guanco

ºCharanga

ºBolero

ºCumbia

ºRancheras

º

ºThanks!

º

º--Greg

º

ºAt 01:02 AM 2/7/02 +0000, jb wrote:

º>Even before the word 'spiritual' had any meaning for me, i was hooked to

ºit,

º>being easily entranced by fast rhythms and catchy tunes. After having

ºbuilt

º>my first shortwave radio at the age of 11, the favorite was "jazz hour

ºUSA"

º>with Willis Conover

ºhttp://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/conover-obit.html

º>as the DJ and my parents had to turn off the central power

º>switch as i listened to music all day and night, also when doing homework

º:)

º>Hence, i can admit that the 'spiritual thing' did not have any influence

ºon

º>the taste for music.

º>

º>Salsa

º>Merengue

º>Cumbia

º>Son

º>Fado

º>Morna

º>Funana

º>Coladeira

º>Raga

º>Jazz (swing)

º>Rumanian, Bulgarian, ex-Yugoslavian folk songs

º>

º>Jan

º

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to

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Dear Ed,

For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is

as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould

version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be

bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould

performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK availability?

Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For the Sound and

Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and plays us into

being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken of by the

saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also.

love

eric.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com>

writes:

> How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music

> can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire

> universe is

> insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both

> joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

> perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle

> of life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

>

> (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests

> center around Western classical music.)

>

> I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be

> a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

> pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my

> question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

>

The simple answer is an

emphatic yes. Music has

a unique communicative

power that comes from

it's non-imagic, non-

symbolic nature -- any

such associations are

overlays not intrinsic

or necessary to the

mysterious effect and

power of music itself.

Anyone doubting this

with regard to "Western

classical music" is

invited to listen to

"The Gould Variations /

The Best Of Glenn Gould"

on the Sony Classical

label. The "spiritual"

gist of much South

Asian and Middle Eastern

music is also duly

noted, of course, but I

defer to more

knowedgeable others for

any CD recommendation(s).

:-)

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

Self. Welcome all to a.

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Thanks for info.

Opinion mode on.

Kirkpatrick and Landowska do not come close to Gould.

I should like to hear this work on a fortepaino, as opposed to a pianoforte though.

Opinion mode off.

The CD is available stateside,

not sure about the UK. It

comes with an extra CD with

some rare organ performances

and some material on CD-ROM.

It is a compilation of Gould

playing various Bach movements

over three decades of Columbia

sessions.

[opinion mode on]

The Goldberg Variations do not

need translation, they simply

needed to be played correctly

on an instrument that didn't

exist in anything near its

current form while during the

composer's lifetime. Gould

played better Bach on a modern

Steinway than Landowska or

Kirkpatrick could manage on a

first-rate reproduction of an

18th century harpsichord --

the CD is a revelation of why

he has no peer.

[opinion mode off]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:20:46 EST ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

Dear Ed,

For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is

as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould

version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be

bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould

performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK availability?

Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For the Sound and

Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and plays us into

being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken of by the

saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also.

love

eric.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar" <akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com>

writes:

> How does everyone here feel about the power of music? To me, music

> can at times invoke an ecstasy so intense that I feel the entire

> universe is

> insignificant. The greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both

> joy and despair. These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast

> perspective that at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle

> of life and in doing so refreshes the soul.

>

> (In case anyone is wondering, by the way, my musical interests

> center around Western classical music.)

>

> I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be

> a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other sense

> pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my

> question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?

>

The simple answer is an

emphatic yes. Music has

a unique communicative

power that comes from

it's non-imagic, non-

symbolic nature -- any

such associations are

overlays not intrinsic

or necessary to the

mysterious effect and

power of music itself.

Anyone doubting this

with regard to "Western

classical music" is

invited to listen to

"The Gould Variations /

The Best Of Glenn Gould"

on the Sony Classical

label. The "spiritual"

gist of much South

Asian and Middle Eastern

music is also duly

noted, of course, but I

defer to more

knowedgeable others for

any CD recommendation(s).

:-)

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm/join

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

Self. Welcome all to a.

 

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The CD is available stateside,

not sure about the UK. It

comes with an extra CD with

some rare organ performances

and some material on CD-ROM.

It is a compilation of Gould

playing various Bach movements

over three decades of Columbia

sessions.

[opinion mode on]

The Goldberg Variations do not

need translation, they simply

needed to be played correctly

on an instrument that didn't

exist in anything near its

current form while during the

composer's lifetime. Gould

played better Bach on a modern

Steinway than Landowska or

Kirkpatrick could manage on a

first-rate reproduction of an

18th century harpsichord --

the CD is a revelation of why

he has no peer.

[opinion mode off]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:20:46 EST ErcAshfrd (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

Dear Ed,

For me, Rosalyn Tureck's translation of the Goldberg Variations is

as close to perfection as this work gets. I grew up with the Gould

version on record, and I took a bit of convincing that it could be

bettered. I think you are referring to a compilation of Gould

performances though. Have not see that one. USA or UK

availability?Anyway, all manifestation can be said to be music. For

the Sound and Light of God is playing within the heart of us all, and

plays us into being. This is the music of the celestial spheres spoken

of by the saints. it can be heard or felt-heard also.loveeric.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:59 -0500 "Akilesh Ayyar"

<akilesh (AT) akilesh (DOT) com>writes:> How does everyone here feel about the

power of music? To me, music > can at times invoke an ecstasy so

intense that I feel the entire > universe is> insignificant. The

greatest music seems to invoke hand in hand both > joy and despair.

These bittersweet harmonies seem to express a vast> perspective that

at once weeps and laughs at the neverending cycle > of life and in

doing so refreshes the soul.> > (In case anyone is wondering, by the

way, my musical interests > center around Western classical music.) >

> I realize that music is a sense pleasure to which one should not be

> a slave, but I feel it is somehow subtler and purer than other

sense> pleasures. I realize ultimately one must be detached, but my >

question is: is there a part for music to play in spirituality?> The

simple answer is an emphatic yes. Music has a unique communicative

power that comes from it's non-imagic, non-symbolic nature -- any

such associations are overlays not intrinsic or necessary to the

mysterious effect and power of music itself.Anyone doubting this with

regard to "Western classical music" is invited to listen to "The Gould

Variations / The Best Of Glenn Gould" on the Sony Classical label.

The "spiritual" gist of much South Asian and Middle Eastern music is

also duly noted, of course, but I defer to more knowedgeable others

for any CD recommendation(s). :-)

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Eric, Ed & Friends,

 

In my college years I remember stumbling on a small book in which the

sayings of many different poets were collected, all to the effect

that "all poetry aspires to music". I wish I had managed to keep it,

but almost all my college books are gone.

 

Really music is the supreme art. Almost everything that can be said

of Consciousness or Love can also be said about music, if one can

overlook the fact that all the music in this physical world eminates

from a physical instrument. Still, once it's in the air...

 

Further, as so many have pointed out, not all music is of this

physical world...

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

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> Further, as so many have pointed out, not all music is of this

> physical world...

 

 

Yes some music, especially drums and rythms, have the vibrational

power to reach deep inside the mindbody and transform parts of it,

even to the extent of making the listeners feel that the music is a

part of their body and inside their bodies generated by themselves.

 

It doesn't look as if the music has to be particularly serene to do

that, it just requires a certain speed and sequence of varying speed

(and vibration = tone) to do that.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

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