U.G. Krishnamurti

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someone asked about U.G. Krishnamurti, here is a comment and a question about

U.G. from last year. The question was asked of Sri Greg Goode. I

forget what reply Gregji gave. Perhaps he remembers.

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Friday, August 31, 2001 8:22 PM

Greg:

I was just reading U.G. Krishnamurti's story and he claims he had

profound physical changes as well as mental. Very interesting. I

don't know if these physical changes would necessarily happen to

everyone. They included growing breasts, going through severe pain

and weird stuff like that. Now, I guess he "dies" regularly

where

his heart rate slows down and he gasps for air. Plus, his mind is

normally declutched and he has to make an effort to think or declutch

his mind. I don't know if it is enlightenment or Alzheimer’s....

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Hello Harsha-ji,

 

I don't recall exactly what I said, but it might have been something like this.

In his approach, U.G. tends to physical reductionism. He reduces subtle things

such thoughts, feelings, and spiritual aspirations to the workings of the

organism and its particles. But he never reduces the organism to anything more

fundamental; he sort of just stays there at the level of a biological monism.

So it's not surprising that he explains his experience in terms of the body -

that's his focus.

 

Even though U.G. is avowedly non-intellectual, he has a confident style and a

trenchant delivery that appeal to some intellectuals. But his description can

lead to confusion, getting people to look for the same changes in their own

bodies. In the U.S.A. (California and Maryland) I know some who are convinced

that That is It.

 

There are no physical requirements to being Brahman. There is no one unique set

of roads and streets and turnoffs, even within the progress of study and

devotion within Vedanta. One person's thoroughfare is another person's

cul-de-sac.

 

And beside these infinite possibilities, which underscore the great hospitality

of the Vedanta teaching, there are severe problems with any reductive analysis

like U.G.'s (and Ramesh Balsekar's as well) if it is taken too seriously or

literally. Reductionism at its best can serve to free people from some of the

myths and beliefs that cause them suffering. But it can never be the final

word, even though it is often treated as such. If everything is just biology,

then that's what the teaching is left with - biology. Anyone can learn the

same stuff in school if they study Skinner in Psych class. And of course with

biological reductionism, everyone starts off and ends as biology. Therefore no

one can ever *become* biology, no matter what happens to the heart, breasts,

pain centers, etc. So there's never any point in descriptions of experiences

or transformations. No one is any farther along than anyone else, so there's no

point in looking for any changes in one's own organi

sm.

 

I suspect that U.G. permits his description to be taken as a unique pointer to

enlightenment partly because he wants people to take this stuff seriously.

"Don't just look for a different belief, it's deeper than that.... "

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

 

 

At 10:12 PM 2/24/02 -0500, Harsha wrote:

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Since someone asked about U.G. Krishnamurti, here is a comment and a question

about U.G. from last year. The question was asked of Sri Greg Goode. I forget

what reply Gregji gave. Perhaps he remembers.

 

 

 

 

Paul

 

Friday, August 31, 2001 8:22 PM

 

Greg:

 

I was just reading U.G. Krishnamurti's story and he claims he had

profound physical changes as well as mental. Very interesting. I

don't know if these physical changes would necessarily happen to

everyone. They included growing breasts, going through severe pain

and weird stuff like that. Now, I guess he "dies" regularly where

his heart rate slows down and he gasps for air. Plus, his mind is

normally declutched and he has to make an effort to think or declutch

his mind. I don't know if it is enlightenment or Alzheimers....

 

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

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