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Hi Andrew,

 

what's "what"?

And what's a "person"?

What's "reality"?

And what's "assuming"?

 

No offense, I hope ("offense" is a mere label, anyway),

but any sixth-grader can play this kind of game

(a "game", in case you didn't know, is but a dream within a dream).

 

Pray tell me (but don't forget "you" have no "real" existence)

the purpose (though there is no "purpose" in pure beingness)

of such input.

 

Anyone of us who graces this list will be able to talk about the fact that

the world is illusive/delusive/non-existent/mayic etc. We can, all of us,

mouth more or less glibly the pertinent truisms.

 

I am sure you meant well, but the next time anyone

plays this game again you will see a grown man cry.

 

Take care

(but remember there "is" no one to "take care",

nor to "be taken care of"),

 

Michael

 

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> Von: andrew macnab [a.macnab]

> Gesendet: Monday, March 18, 2002 00:12

> An:

> Betreff: Re: Re: Blaise Pascal's Bet on God

>

>

> What's "a (rational) person"?

> And what is "we"?

> If the reality of such things is assumed

> then the reality of another thing called God

> is something that can be debated.

> If it isn't assumed, the question doesn't occur.

>

> andrew

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MikeSuesserott wrote:

>

> Hi Andrew,

>

> what's "what"?

> And what's a "person"?

> What's "reality"?

> And what's "assuming"?

>

> No offense, I hope ("offense" is a mere label, anyway),

> but any sixth-grader can play this kind of game

> (a "game", in case you didn't know, is but a dream within a dream).

>

> Pray tell me (but don't forget "you" have no "real" existence)

> the purpose (though there is no "purpose" in pure beingness)

> of such input.

>

> Anyone of us who graces this list will be able to talk about the fact that

> the world is illusive/delusive/non-existent/mayic etc. We can, all of us,

> mouth more or less glibly the pertinent truisms.

>

> I am sure you meant well, but the next time anyone

> plays this game again you will see a grown man cry.

>

> Take care

> (but remember there "is" no one to "take care",

> nor to "be taken care of"),

>

> Michael

>

 

God and person are two sides of the same coin.

If one exists the other must.

If.

 

andrew

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Michael,

 

Who won this debate?

 

You or Andrew?

 

Namaste,

Dan

 

 

> Hi Andrew,

>

> what's "what"?

> And what's a "person"?

> What's "reality"?

> And what's "assuming"?

>

> No offense, I hope ("offense" is a mere label, anyway),

> but any sixth-grader can play this kind of game

> (a "game", in case you didn't know, is but a dream within a dream).

>

> Pray tell me (but don't forget "you" have no "real" existence)

> the purpose (though there is no "purpose" in pure beingness)

> of such input.

>

> Anyone of us who graces this list will be able to talk about the

fact that

> the world is illusive/delusive/non-existent/mayic etc. We can, all

of us,

> mouth more or less glibly the pertinent truisms.

>

> I am sure you meant well, but the next time anyone

> plays this game again you will see a grown man cry.

>

> Take care

> (but remember there "is" no one to "take care",

> nor to "be taken care of"),

>

> Michael

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: andrew macnab [a.macnab@n...]

> > Gesendet: Monday, March 18, 2002 00:12

> > An:

> > Betreff: Re: Re: Blaise Pascal's Bet on God

> >

> >

> > What's "a (rational) person"?

> > And what is "we"?

> > If the reality of such things is assumed

> > then the reality of another thing called God

> > is something that can be debated.

> > If it isn't assumed, the question doesn't occur.

> >

> > andrew

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Dear Michael --

 

Yes, I see your point.

 

And what it means to me is that

regardless of what Andrew may

or may not have been saying,

his words came across to you as stale

and repetitious of things you

heard before. You didn't sense

life in what was said, just

predictable copying of other

things that had been said before.

 

Now, I don't know whether or not this is

what was really the case. For

me, the interesting question that

arises here is: what is really not

stale, what is truly alive, what

doesn't repeat the past?

 

It seems to me we reach a limit with words

and thought, because any idea, no matter

how innovative, repeats patterns of the past.

 

To be truly free of repetition, staleness,

and triteness requires a leap beyond the

contents of thought, a leap which thought is unable

to take.

 

So, thought dissolves and peace/freedom/energy is.

 

Thought's dissolution doesn't mean thought has

no application, and shouldn't arise.

 

It means that thought isn't being taken as something

it is not.

 

If anything said here by anyone can be a springboard

into and as what is beyond thought, then there is

the new, the eternal, the unimaginable.

 

Thanks for your clear explanation, Michael,

and blessed be --

 

Love,

Dan

 

 

 

> Dan,

>

> this was not about winning at all, nor was it a debate. More like a

> desperate cry from one who is getting tired of being fed the same cliche

> phrases again and again.

>

> Like you say "good morning", and sure as hell someone is going to send a

> message to the effect that there is no morning, or how can there be a

> morning if no observer exists, or some such pearl of wisdom.

>

> Remember Eliza, one of the early computer programs that simulated the

> behavior of a psychologist? You would input some personal problem,

and the

> computer would repeat part of it back to you and then say, "tell me more

> about it." Just a very few stored-up phrases and simple pre-programmed

> behaviors were sufficient to make people believe that they were

> communicating with a live psychologist.

>

> Can you guess how there might be an analogy here? :-)

>

> Take care,

>

> Michael

>

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: dan330033 [dan330033]

> > Gesendet: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 01:47

> > An:

> > Betreff: Re: Sigh... (was:Blaise Pascal's Bet on God)

> >

> >

> > Michael,

> >

> > Who won this debate?

> >

> > You or Andrew?

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi Andrew,

> > >

> > > what's "what"?

> > > And what's a "person"?

> > > What's "reality"?

> > > And what's "assuming"?

> > >

> > > No offense, I hope ("offense" is a mere label, anyway),

> > > but any sixth-grader can play this kind of game

> > > (a "game", in case you didn't know, is but a dream within a dream).

> > >

> > > Pray tell me (but don't forget "you" have no "real" existence)

> > > the purpose (though there is no "purpose" in pure beingness)

> > > of such input.

> > >

> > > Anyone of us who graces this list will be able to talk about the

> > fact that

> > > the world is illusive/delusive/non-existent/mayic etc. We can, all

> > of us,

> > > mouth more or less glibly the pertinent truisms.

> > >

> > > I am sure you meant well, but the next time anyone

> > > plays this game again you will see a grown man cry.

> > >

> > > Take care

> > > (but remember there "is" no one to "take care",

> > > nor to "be taken care of"),

> > >

> > > Michael

> > >

> > >

> > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > > > Von: andrew macnab [a.macnab@n...]

> > > > Gesendet: Monday, March 18, 2002 00:12

> > > > An:

> > > > Betreff: Re: Re: Blaise Pascal's Bet on God

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What's "a (rational) person"?

> > > > And what is "we"?

> > > > If the reality of such things is assumed

> > > > then the reality of another thing called God

> > > > is something that can be debated.

> > > > If it isn't assumed, the question doesn't occur.

> > > >

> > > > andrew

> >

> >

> >

> > /join

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

> > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and

> > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves

> > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from

> > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come

> > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart

> > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A

> > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

> > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

> > a.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

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dan330033 [dan330033]

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:17 PM

Re: Sigh... (was:Blaise Pascal's Bet on God)

 

Dear Michael --

 

Yes, I see your point.

 

And what it means to me is that

regardless of what Andrew may

or may not have been saying,

his words came across to you as stale

and repetitious of things you

heard before. You didn't sense

life in what was said, just

predictable copying of other

things that had been said before.

 

Now, I don't know whether or not this is

what was really the case. For

me, the interesting question that

arises here is: what is really not

stale, what is truly alive, what

doesn't repeat the past?

 

It seems to me we reach a limit with words

and thought, because any idea, no matter

how innovative, repeats patterns of the past.

 

To be truly free of repetition, staleness,

and triteness requires a leap beyond the

contents of thought, a leap which thought is unable

to take.

 

So, thought dissolves and peace/freedom/energy is.

 

Thought's dissolution doesn't mean thought has

no application, and shouldn't arise.

 

It means that thought isn't being taken as something

it is not.

 

If anything said here by anyone can be a springboard

into and as what is beyond thought, then there is

the new, the eternal, the unimaginable.

 

Thanks for your clear explanation, Michael,

and blessed be --

 

Love,

Dan

 

 

 

> Dan,

>

> this was not about winning at all, nor was it a debate. More like a

> desperate cry from one who is getting tired of being fed the same cliche

> phrases again and again.

>

> Like you say "good morning", and sure as hell someone is going to send a

> message to the effect that there is no morning, or how can there be a

> morning if no observer exists, or some such pearl of wisdom.

>

> Remember Eliza, one of the early computer programs that simulated the

> behavior of a psychologist? You would input some personal problem,

and the

> computer would repeat part of it back to you and then say, "tell me more

> about it." Just a very few stored-up phrases and simple pre-programmed

> behaviors were sufficient to make people believe that they were

> communicating with a live psychologist.

>

> Can you guess how there might be an analogy here? :-)

>

> Take care,

>

> Michael

>

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: dan330033 [dan330033]

> > Gesendet: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 01:47

> > An:

> > Betreff: Re: Sigh... (was:Blaise Pascal's Bet on God)

> >

> >

> > Michael,

> >

> > Who won this debate?

> >

> > You or Andrew?

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi Andrew,

> > >

> > > what's "what"?

> > > And what's a "person"?

> > > What's "reality"?

> > > And what's "assuming"?

> > >

> > > No offense, I hope ("offense" is a mere label, anyway),

> > > but any sixth-grader can play this kind of game

> > > (a "game", in case you didn't know, is but a dream within a dream).

> > >

> > > Pray tell me (but don't forget "you" have no "real" existence)

> > > the purpose (though there is no "purpose" in pure beingness)

> > > of such input.

> > >

> > > Anyone of us who graces this list will be able to talk about the

> > fact that

> > > the world is illusive/delusive/non-existent/mayic etc. We can, all

> > of us,

> > > mouth more or less glibly the pertinent truisms.

> > >

> > > I am sure you meant well, but the next time anyone

> > > plays this game again you will see a grown man cry.

> > >

> > > Take care

> > > (but remember there "is" no one to "take care",

> > > nor to "be taken care of"),

> > >

> > > Michael

> > >

> > >

> > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > > > Von: andrew macnab [a.macnab@n...]

> > > > Gesendet: Monday, March 18, 2002 00:12

> > > > An:

> > > > Betreff: Re: Re: Blaise Pascal's Bet on God

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What's "a (rational) person"?

> > > > And what is "we"?

> > > > If the reality of such things is assumed

> > > > then the reality of another thing called God

> > > > is something that can be debated.

> > > > If it isn't assumed, the question doesn't occur.

> > > >

> > > > andrew

> >

> >

> >

> > /join

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

> > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and

> > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves

> > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from

> > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come

> > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart

> > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A

> > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

> > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

> > a.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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