Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Dear Andrew, neither do I want to interfere with your shattered faith. :-) Though I would ask you this question - why not give the universe another chance? In any case, we can always wish each other well, can't we? Warmly, Michael > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: andrew macnab [a.macnab] > Gesendet: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 00:53 > An: > Betreff: Re: God and Persons (was: Sigh...) > > > MikeSuesserott wrote: > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > you wrote: > > > God and person are two sides of the same coin. > > > If one exists the other must. > > > If. > > > > Andrew, the scriptures say otherwise. > > > > There are countless references in the Vedas that refer to > Brahman (God, the > > Absolute, the Self) as the Dreamer, and to the world > (including persons) as > > the dreamed. The Dreamer exists independent of and beyond His > dreams, but > > the dreams exist only insofar as they are dreamed by the > Dreamer. To put it > > another way, the Dreamer's existence does not necessitate > dreams, but the > > converse is not true. > > > > In another frequently-used scriptural illustration God is likened to the > > ocean, and human beings (all creation, actually) to the waves. The ocean > > exists independent of any waves, but its waves cannot exist without the > > ocean. > > > > I have always found this illustration very beautiful and > comforting. And it > > seems to be more real, too, than we may be inclined to think, > as many of the > > saints and sages speak about their identity with all created things and > > beyond (the ocean!), including all bodies. Paramahansa > Yogananda once said > > that sometimes he had to make an extra effort to remember which > body he was > > supposed to keep moving. > > > > One of Sri Ramana Maharshi's devotees, an Indian university > professor, told > > a similar story. One day after meditating with Sri Ramana, he > saw himself as > > existing in many people; he noted with surprise that he did not feel any > > special predilection towards his own body. If anyone can > remember where to > > find that story, it would be great to have a repost. > > > > Michael > > > > > Michael, > > I don't want to interfere with your faith. > > Long ago, after my mother died, when I was sixteen, > I spent some weeks alone, demanding something. > One morning I woke and saw myself in the eyes of everyone I met. > For a long time, that revelation was unbearable. > > We all have experiences, > there are so many in every lifetime > and there are so many scriptures, > biblical, vedic, buddhist... > Particular experiences like particular scriptures > are grabbed onto, imbued with meaning. > > Faith is fragile. > When it gets broken, > do you turn to another faith > or live with that > broken faith? > > In the end, I live with the broken faith. > There is nowhere else I can stand. > A choice had to be made, between comfort and freedom. > > A shattered faith is > far stronger than a whole one. > > Excuse me if I'm making no sense at all. > > andrew > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Dear Michael, There's a working relationship and that's enough. And yes we can, and I do, and am glad to know that you do too. andrew MikeSuesserott wrote: > > Dear Andrew, > > neither do I want to interfere with your shattered faith. :-) > Though I would ask you this question - > why not give > the universe another chance? > > In any case, we can always wish each other well, can't we? > > Warmly, > > Michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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