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Hi,

I am new to this group and I am not familiar with the Indian philosophy

yet, either.

 

So if I interrupt the course of the discussion there, I am sorry.

But I would like to say something.

 

 

Someone said:

 

 

In another frequently-used scriptural illustration God is likened to the

> > ocean, and human beings (all creation, actually) to the waves. The

ocean

> > exists independent of any waves, but its waves cannot exist without the

> > ocean.

 

 

I don't think that is true.

I don't think that "the ocean exists independent of any waves."

 

If the ocean had existed without waves or before waves, it couldn't have

been an ocean.

It is like a society. It cannot exist without its members.

 

 

We may better think that the unmanifest, the unknown, or God, if you

would prefer to use this word, is in each cell of our bodies.

 

"In every atom, there are worlds, within worlds." (Yoga Vasishtha)

 

We are the manifest transformed from the unmanifest.

 

 

Regarding Faith;

 

"We must make a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in

general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is

almost opposite of faith.

Belief is the insistence that the truth is what one would "lief" or wish

it to be. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the

mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no

preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but

faith lets go." (Alan Watts)

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Kayo

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