Hi Kayo!

[Guest guest]

Hi Kayo,

 

welcome to the group! Good to have you here.

 

Thanks for your input. Being the guy who wrote that post with the ocean

analogy, I hope you don't mind if I comment briefly.

 

A society cannot exist without its members. True. Similarly, an ocean cannot

exist without its constituent drops of water. However, it can conceivably

exist without waves because waves are nothing but shapes temporarily assumed

by its surface. The ocean is under no compulsion to assume these shapes. So

that scriptural allegory does make sense, don't you think so?

 

As for the worlds within the atom, your guess is as good as mine, though I

for one have no doubt that these exist. I like to believe the scriptures.

:-)

 

Though it can be fascinating to speculate about these things, I don't think

we will be able to come up with a satisfactory map of the universe(s) here.

Some prefer to deal with questions like these by saying that they arise as

figments of the mind only. Which is, of course, true, and a nice way of

settling such difficult cases.

 

Welcome again, and may your stay here be a happy one.

 

Michael

 

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> Von: kayo [kayotao]

> Gesendet: Thursday, March 21, 2002 17:16

> An:

> Betreff: (no subject)

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>

> Hi,

> I am new to this group and I am not familiar with the Indian philosophy

> yet, either.

>

> So if I interrupt the course of the discussion there, I am sorry.

> But I would like to say something.

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> Someone said:

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> In another frequently-used scriptural illustration God is likened to the

> > > ocean, and human beings (all creation, actually) to the waves. The

> ocean

> > > exists independent of any waves, but its waves cannot exist

> without the

> > > ocean.

>

>

> I don't think that is true.

> I don't think that "the ocean exists independent of any waves."

>

> If the ocean had existed without waves or before waves, it couldn't have

> been an ocean.

> It is like a society. It cannot exist without its members.

>

>

> We may better think that the unmanifest, the unknown, or God, if you

> would prefer to use this word, is in each cell of our bodies.

>

> "In every atom, there are worlds, within worlds." (Yoga Vasishtha)

>

> We are the manifest transformed from the unmanifest.

>

>

> Regarding Faith;

>

> "We must make a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in

> general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is

> almost opposite of faith.

> Belief is the insistence that the truth is what one would "lief" or wish

> it to be. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the

> mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no

> preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but

> faith lets go." (Alan Watts)

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>

> Thanks

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> Kayo

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> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places,

> sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and

> exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves

> rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from

> Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come

> and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart

> Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A

> true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

> spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

> a.

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> Your use of is subject to

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