Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 , "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: [snip] > And what about the disciples of an unrealized Guru ? > In former times it was quite normal in India , both among > Hindus and Muslims , to receive initiation from a sort of > family Guru, and something of this still remains . > However , that is something of a low order of potency , > whether for good or evil - perhaps not much more than > Confirmation in a Christian church. The disciple does not seek > realization nor the Guru claims it. > > However , one who seeks a Guru in his quest for Realization > must understand that no one can guide others farther than he > has gone himself; therefore , an unrealized Guru would not be > of much use at best. But there is danger of the worst - that > the Guru's faults of character may be transmitted to his > disciples. In general , any sickness of character is as > infectious as a physical disease. That is why the Masters > lay such an emphasis on the people a disciple associates with, > urging him to seek the company of the wise and pure and shun > the evil-minded. Moreover , a disciple lays himself open to > the influence of his Guru as to no one else. To submit to > a Guru who has developed the vices of hypocrisy or arrogance > or any other manifestations of a resurgent ego is as foolhardy > as for a woman to take a husband who has T.B. > There is little likelihood of escaping infection. This is uninspired speculation. It's not about the guru, it's about the devotee. If you have faith in your guru, it doesn't matter a bit what kind of person he is. If you are sincere in your approach to God and your practice, you can't catch any moral diseases from anybody, including your guru. The key lies within ourselves. The guru just gives us an excuse to believe we can get it. It is always there with or without a guru. While we would all benefit from exposure to great gurus, even the bad ones can inspire us to find out who we really are if we really believe they can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Gurus... Here's a guru available to most; crows, just watch and listen to the crows. They'll notice you pretty quick. andrew jodyrrr wrote: > > , "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > [snip] > > > And what about the disciples of an unrealized Guru ? > > In former times it was quite normal in India , both among > > Hindus and Muslims , to receive initiation from a sort of > > family Guru, and something of this still remains . > > However , that is something of a low order of potency , > > whether for good or evil - perhaps not much more than > > Confirmation in a Christian church. The disciple does not seek > > realization nor the Guru claims it. > > > > However , one who seeks a Guru in his quest for Realization > > must understand that no one can guide others farther than he > > has gone himself; therefore , an unrealized Guru would not be > > of much use at best. But there is danger of the worst - that > > the Guru's faults of character may be transmitted to his > > disciples. In general , any sickness of character is as > > infectious as a physical disease. That is why the Masters > > lay such an emphasis on the people a disciple associates with, > > urging him to seek the company of the wise and pure and shun > > the evil-minded. Moreover , a disciple lays himself open to > > the influence of his Guru as to no one else. To submit to > > a Guru who has developed the vices of hypocrisy or arrogance > > or any other manifestations of a resurgent ego is as foolhardy > > as for a woman to take a husband who has T.B. > > There is little likelihood of escaping infection. > > This is uninspired speculation. > > It's not about the guru, it's about the devotee. If you have > faith in your guru, it doesn't matter a bit what kind of person > he is. If you are sincere in your approach to God and your > practice, you can't catch any moral diseases from anybody, > including your guru. > > The key lies within ourselves. The guru just gives us an > excuse to believe we can get it. It is always there with > or without a guru. While we would all benefit from exposure > to great gurus, even the bad ones can inspire us to find out > who we really are if we really believe they can help. > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 , andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > Gurus... > Here's a guru available to most; > crows, just watch and listen to > the crows. > They'll notice you pretty quick. > > andrew Ramana said a rock will become God for you if your worship is sincere. We hold all our own keys to a door that's never locked. All a really good guru will do is point you at the door and let nature take its course. It matters little what the characteristics of his personality are. --jody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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