Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 -----Original Message----- Harvey Schneider [harvey_s (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:40 PM To: NondualitySalon Re: [NDS] Question(s) Individuality may well be a fiction, as has been said. But I have, contrary to what some may have supposed, not been trying to resurrect this concept and change its status from illusion to reality. I have been dealing with the question whether, in Lisa's terms, "we retain our individuality after death." If the "me" that flies around the celestial regions is just as unreal as the one that goes to the brothel," isn't it also true that the celestial traveler is just as real as the earthbound tourist? Is there any reason to believe that the so-called fiction of individuality, which has most, if not all of us, in its thrall, will have any less a grip on us after death? color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Harvey color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Good points Harvey. Just as deep sleep does not eliminate the appearance of an individual existence, similarly, according to yogic traditions, death does not evaporate yes"> the appearance of individuality. Subtle realms are as real (unreal) as gross realms. The theory of reincarnation is based on the practical experiences of sages and yogis who are able to recall their past lives and those of others. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Access to or experience of subtle or celestial realms and visionary experiences of angels is common to all religious traditions and typically depends on spiritual practice, although some people seem more predisposed to such experiences. There is no point in belaboring this as a variety of literature exists on the topic. Spiritual experiences, psychic phenomena, celestial travel, etc. are not inconsistent with the advaita path or Self-Realization. Will pass this on to . 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Love to all 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hi Harsha and all -- > H: > Just as deep sleep does not eliminate the appearance of > an individual existence, similarly, according to yogic traditions, death > does not evaporate the appearance of individuality. Subtle realms are as > real (unreal) as gross realms. The theory of reincarnation is based on the > practical experiences of sages and yogis who are able to recall their past > lives and those of others. Yes, I remember when you said that to me last life. I didn't believe you then, and I don't believe you now. :-) > > Access to or experience of subtle or celestial realms and visionary > experiences of angels is common to all religious traditions and typically > depends on spiritual practice, although some people seem more predisposed to > such experiences. There are many accounts of such experiences occurring unexpectedly, irrespective of "spiritual practice" ... There are also many accounts of "spiritual practioners" comparing notes about their experiences, leading to a kind of spiritual materialism ... There is no point in belaboring this as a variety of > literature exists on the topic. Spiritual experiences, psychic phenomena, > celestial travel, etc. are not inconsistent with the advaita path or > Self-Realization. As you already are that which is to be realized, there is no experience through which to go, nor phenomena to know about, in order to know/be who you are. What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience, person, or phenomenon, it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as more of "this" than some other experience, person, or phenomenon ... Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either.... Love, --Greg At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote: >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience, > person, or phenomenon, > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as > more of "this" than some other experience, person, > or phenomenon ... > >Love, >Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Why not? "Stating that 'taking something as more of this' is inconsistent," according to what you're saying, is itself just another particular experience. So ... stating that something is inconsistent, can't be inconsistent either! Love, Dan > Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either.... > > Love, > > --Greg > > At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote: > > > >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience, > > person, or phenomenon, > > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as > > more of "this" than some other experience, person, > > or phenomenon ... > > > >Love, > >Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the stating, the something and the inconsistency! But then all these things aren't consistent either. If no experience or phenomenon or person can be inconsistent, then how can anything be inconsistent? I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring... Love, --Greg At 01:15 PM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote: So ... stating that something is inconsistent, can't be inconsistent either! Love, Dan > Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either.... > > Love, > > --Greg > > At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote: > > > >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience, > > person, or phenomenon, > > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as > > more of "this" than some other experience, person, > > or phenomenon ... > > > >Love, > >Dan /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hi Greg, It's no wonder you are "always happy" .... Glo That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the stating, the something and the inconsistency! But then all these things aren't consistent either. If no experience or phenomenon or person can be inconsistent, then how can anything be inconsistent?I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...Love,--GregAt 01:15 PM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:So ... stating that something is inconsistent, can't be inconsistent either!Love,Dan> Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either.... > > Love,> > --Greg> > At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:> > > >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience,> > person, or phenomenon,> > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as> > more of "this" than some other experience, person,> > or phenomenon ... > >> >Love,> >Dan/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Surely. And how can anything be a thing? Where does that thing stop being the thing, and become what is not-that-thing? My experience is becoming nonexperience, my phenomenality is becoming nonphenomenal! Yikes! I've switched from celestial realms to celestial seasonings, and from spiritual experiences to latte. Someone's got to drink all that latte you're inconsistently leaving behind. Loving that thing, Dan > That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the stating, the something and the inconsistency! But then all these things aren't consistent either. If no experience or phenomenon or person can be inconsistent, then how can anything be inconsistent? > > I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring... > > Love, > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hi Greg, Could you make latte with Poland Spring, or would that affect the consistency? just musing, Mark ps is amusing the opposite of musing? uh oh... , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > > I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring... > > Love, > > --Greg > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 You know, I think you're right! Poland Spring instead of the tap water they probably used to mix the coffee in the cafeteria (our firm's lunchroom has its own little Starbuck's concession). a-musing I go, --Greg At 08:49 PM 4/5/02, markwotter704 wrote: >Hi Greg, > >Could you make latte with Poland Spring, or would that affect the >consistency? > >just musing, >Mark >ps is amusing the opposite of musing? uh oh... > >, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > >> >> I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring... >> >> Love, >> >> --Greg >> > > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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