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Harvey Schneider

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Thursday, April 04, 2002

3:40 PM

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Re: [NDS] Question(s)

Individuality may

well be a fiction, as has been said. But I have, contrary to what

some may have supposed, not been trying to resurrect this concept and change

its status from illusion to reality. I have been dealing with the

question whether, in Lisa's terms, "we retain our individuality

after death." If the "me" that flies around the celestial

regions is just as unreal as the one that goes to the

brothel," isn't it also true that the celestial traveler is

just as real as the earthbound tourist? Is

there any reason to believe that the so-called fiction of individuality, which

has most, if not all of us, in its thrall, will have any less a grip on us

after death?

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Harvey

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Good points

Harvey. Just as deep sleep does not eliminate

the appearance of an individual existence, similarly, according to yogic

traditions, death does not evaporate

yes"> the appearance of individuality. Subtle realms are as real

(unreal) as gross realms. The theory of reincarnation is based on the practical

experiences of sages and yogis who are able to recall their past lives and

those of others.

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Access to or experience

of subtle or celestial realms and visionary experiences of angels is common to

all religious traditions and typically depends on spiritual practice, although

some people seem more predisposed to such experiences. There is no point in

belaboring this as a variety of literature exists on the topic. Spiritual

experiences, psychic phenomena, celestial travel, etc. are not inconsistent

with the advaita path or Self-Realization. Will pass this on to .

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Love to all

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Harsha

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Hi Harsha and all --

> H:

> Just as deep sleep does not eliminate the appearance of

> an individual existence, similarly, according to yogic traditions,

death

> does not evaporate the appearance of individuality. Subtle realms

are as

> real (unreal) as gross realms. The theory of reincarnation is based

on the

> practical experiences of sages and yogis who are able to recall

their past

> lives and those of others.

 

Yes, I remember when you said that to me last life.

I didn't believe you then, and I don't believe you now. :-)

>

> Access to or experience of subtle or celestial realms and visionary

> experiences of angels is common to all religious traditions and

typically

> depends on spiritual practice, although some people seem more

predisposed to

> such experiences.

 

There are many accounts of such experiences occurring

unexpectedly, irrespective of "spiritual practice" ...

 

There are also many accounts of "spiritual practioners"

comparing notes about their experiences, leading to a kind of

spiritual materialism ...

 

There is no point in belaboring this as a variety of

> literature exists on the topic. Spiritual experiences, psychic

phenomena,

> celestial travel, etc. are not inconsistent with the advaita path or

> Self-Realization.

 

As you already are that which is to be realized,

there is no experience through which to go,

nor phenomena to know about, in order to know/be

who you are.

 

What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience,

person, or phenomenon,

it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as

more of "this" than some other experience, person,

or phenomenon ...

 

Love,

Dan

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Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'"

-- that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading below,

the "taking" can't be inconsistent either....

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:

 

>What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience,

> person, or phenomenon,

> it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as

> more of "this" than some other experience, person,

> or phenomenon ...

>

>Love,

>Dan

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Why not?

 

"Stating that 'taking something as more of this' is inconsistent,"

according to what you're saying,

is itself just another particular experience.

 

So ... stating that something is inconsistent, can't be inconsistent

either!

 

Love,

Dan

> Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more

of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So

on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either....

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

>

> At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:

>

>

> >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience,

> > person, or phenomenon,

> > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as

> > more of "this" than some other experience, person,

> > or phenomenon ...

> >

> >Love,

> >Dan

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That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the stating, the

something and the inconsistency! But then all these things aren't consistent

either. If no experience or phenomenon or person can be inconsistent, then how

can anything be inconsistent?

 

I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 01:15 PM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:

So ... stating that something is inconsistent, can't be inconsistent

either!

 

Love,

Dan

> Not even that! The very "taking of an experience or person as more

of 'this'" -- that itself is just another particular experience. So

on the reading below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either....

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

>

> At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:

>

>

> >What is inconsistent isn't any particular experience,

> > person, or phenomenon,

> > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon as

> > more of "this" than some other experience, person,

> > or phenomenon ...

> >

> >Love,

> >Dan

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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Hi Greg,

It's no wonder you are "always happy" .... :)

Glo

That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the stating,

the something and the inconsistency! But then all these things aren't

consistent either. If no experience or phenomenon or person can be

inconsistent, then how can anything be inconsistent?I've

inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...Love,--GregAt

01:15 PM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:So ... stating that something is

inconsistent, can't be inconsistent either!Love,Dan> Not even that!

The very "taking of an experience or person as more of 'this'" --

that itself is just another particular experience. So on the reading

below, the "taking" can't be inconsistent either.... > > Love,> >

--Greg> > At 11:15 AM 4/5/02, dan330033 wrote:> > > >What is

inconsistent isn't any particular experience,> > person, or

phenomenon,> > it is taking any experience, person, or phenomenon

as> > more of "this" than some other experience, person,> > or

phenomenon ... > >> >Love,>

>Dan/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Surely.

 

And how can anything be a thing?

Where does that thing stop being the

thing, and become what is not-that-thing?

 

My experience is becoming nonexperience,

my phenomenality is becoming nonphenomenal!

Yikes!

 

I've switched from celestial realms

to celestial seasonings, and from

spiritual experiences to latte.

 

Someone's got to drink all that latte

you're inconsistently leaving behind.

 

Loving that thing,

Dan

 

 

 

 

 

> That's because none of these can be inconsistent, neither the

stating, the something and the inconsistency! But then all these

things aren't consistent either. If no experience or phenomenon or

person can be inconsistent, then how can anything be inconsistent?

>

> I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

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Hi Greg,

 

Could you make latte with Poland Spring, or would that affect the

consistency?

 

just musing,

Mark

ps is amusing the opposite of musing? uh oh...

 

, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

>

> I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

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You know, I think you're right! Poland Spring instead of the tap water they

probably used to mix the coffee in the cafeteria (our firm's lunchroom has its

own little Starbuck's concession).

 

a-musing I go,

 

--Greg

 

At 08:49 PM 4/5/02, markwotter704 wrote:

>Hi Greg,

>

>Could you make latte with Poland Spring, or would that affect the

>consistency?

>

>just musing,

>Mark

>ps is amusing the opposite of musing? uh oh...

>

>, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote:

>

>>

>> I've inconsistently switched from latte to Poland Spring...

>>

>> Love,

>>

>> --Greg

>>

>

>

>

>

>/join

>

>

>

>

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

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