Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Recently questions have come up about celestial and subtle planes and the truth of their experiences. Although mention of such things is made in every religious and spiritual tradition, many people doubt such accounts because these are not common everyday experiences in the usual sense. Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold">These experiences of subtle heavenly and celestial planes are associated with Kundalini Shakti rising and activating of certain charkas. Many people have such experiences, although typically they come to a mature aspirant after many years of earnest spiritual practice. Such spiritual practices include devotional prayers, meditation, mantra, pranayama, etc. Many people are compelled to engage in spiritual practices by their nature at a young age. Such experiences come to them more easily. Beyond a certain point, however, these things cannot be forced. Meditative techniques become useful only when the engine of motivation (eagerness for understanding the mystery of life) drives the practice. font-weight:bold">The purity of the state of the conscious mind at the time of meditation determines the superconscious realms that one will experience. The more pure, quiet, and serene the mind is, the higher the superconscious experience. Serenity of the mind is obtained through understanding and practicing Ahimsa (non-violence) which is the cardinal principle in all yogic traditions. When the mind of a yogi is agitated, the possibility of experiencing lower realms is there as well. font-weight:bold">Advaita Vedanta does not attach significance to experience of celestial planes, visionary experiences of angels, gods, and the Goddess. However, Jnanis commonly have such experiences and acknowledge them freely. Since Jnanis have no one to impress, they enjoy being devotees as well. font-weight:bold">Many people ask that if someone is on the Advaitic path or Self-Realized then why should such a person sing praises of the Goddess. Such questioners do not understand the depth of the Advaitic state. When we even have a neighbor come over, we show respect and offer them tea. We do not say, “you are unreal, get out of my house”, etc. Similarly, when divine beings, saints, or the Goddess appears in the superconscious mind of the Sage, they are shown due respect and devotion and love. It is only the Self loving It Self in different forms. A Jnani sees no point in resisting devotion and love. yes"> font-weight:bold">Love to all font-weight:bold">Harsha "Courier New";color:blue;font-weight:bold"> Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> yes"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Beloved Harshaji, Wow, sweet Harshaji! This is simply wonderful and so right on the mark, of course! I love the lines about offering tea and not saying "You are not real, get out of my house!" Oh how that made me laugh right out loud, just picturing you saying that with that great wide smile on your beautiful face! That the jnani sees and is moved by the beautiful goddess and Love in the divine ones come across the path of theirs, that is so simply and utterly exquitely expressed by you. Thanks so for this Harshaji, I treasure this kind of message, the balance, the awesome wisdom that you just trace in the sky with a simple and profound message like this one. YES! Yes to you and to Love and to Sri Bhagavan! Yes to everything, I guess. love to you, Love you, Mazie >Recently questions have come up about celestial and subtle planes and the >truth of their experiences. Although mention of such things is made in >every religious and spiritual tradition, many people doubt such accounts >because these are not common everyday experiences in the usual sense. >These experiences of subtle heavenly and celestial planes are associated >with Kundalini Shakti rising and activating of certain charkas. Many >people >have such experiences, although typically they come to a mature aspirant >after many years of earnest spiritual practice. Such spiritual practices >include devotional prayers, meditation, mantra, pranayama, etc. Many people >are compelled to engage in spiritual practices by their nature at a young >age. Such experiences come to them more easily. Beyond a certain point, >however, these things cannot be forced. Meditative techniques become >useful >only when the engine of motivation (eagerness for understanding the mystery >of life) drives the practice. >The purity of the state of the conscious mind at the time of meditation >determines the superconscious realms that one will experience. The more >pure, quiet, and serene the mind is, the higher the superconscious >experience. Serenity of the mind is obtained through understanding and >practicing Ahimsa (non-violence) which is the cardinal principle in all >yogic traditions. When the mind of a yogi is agitated, the possibility of >experiencing lower realms is there as well. >Advaita Vedanta does not attach significance to experience of celestial >planes, visionary experiences of angels, gods, and the Goddess. However, >Jnanis commonly have such experiences and acknowledge them freely. Since >Jnanis have no one to impress, they enjoy being devotees as well. >Many people ask that if someone is on the Advaitic path or Self-Realized >then why should such a person sing praises of the Goddess. Such >questioners >do not understand the depth of the Advaitic state. When we even have a >neighbor come over, we show respect and offer them tea. We do not say, “you >are unreal, get out of my house”, etc. Similarly, when divine beings, >saints, or the Goddess appears in the superconscious mind of the Sage, they >are shown due respect and devotion and love. It is only the Self loving It >Self in different forms. A Jnani sees no point in resisting devotion and >love. >Love to all >Harsha > > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 I agree! Very sweet! --Greg At 06:38 PM 4/5/02, Mazie Lane wrote: >Beloved Harshaji, > >Wow, sweet Harshaji! This is simply wonderful and so right on the mark, of >course! I love the lines about offering tea and not saying "You are not >real, get out of my house!" Oh how that made me laugh right out loud, just >picturing you saying that with that great wide smile on your beautiful face! >That the jnani sees and is moved by the beautiful goddess and Love in the >divine ones come across the path of theirs, that is so simply and utterly >exquitely expressed by you. Thanks so for this Harshaji, I treasure this >kind of message, the balance, the awesome wisdom that you just trace in the >sky with a simple and profound message like this one. YES! Yes to you and to >Love and to Sri Bhagavan! Yes to everything, I guess. > >love to you, Love you, >Mazie > > >>Recently questions have come up about celestial and subtle planes and the >>truth of their experiences. Although mention of such things is made in >>every religious and spiritual tradition, many people doubt such accounts >>because these are not common everyday experiences in the usual sense. >>These experiences of subtle heavenly and celestial planes are associated >>with Kundalini Shakti rising and activating of certain charkas. Many >>people >>have such experiences, although typically they come to a mature aspirant >>after many years of earnest spiritual practice. Such spiritual practices >>include devotional prayers, meditation, mantra, pranayama, etc. Many people >>are compelled to engage in spiritual practices by their nature at a young >>age. Such experiences come to them more easily. Beyond a certain point, >>however, these things cannot be forced. Meditative techniques become >>useful >>only when the engine of motivation (eagerness for understanding the mystery >>of life) drives the practice. >>The purity of the state of the conscious mind at the time of meditation >>determines the superconscious realms that one will experience. The more >>pure, quiet, and serene the mind is, the higher the superconscious >>experience. Serenity of the mind is obtained through understanding and >>practicing Ahimsa (non-violence) which is the cardinal principle in all >>yogic traditions. When the mind of a yogi is agitated, the possibility of >>experiencing lower realms is there as well. >>Advaita Vedanta does not attach significance to experience of celestial >>planes, visionary experiences of angels, gods, and the Goddess. However, >>Jnanis commonly have such experiences and acknowledge them freely. Since >>Jnanis have no one to impress, they enjoy being devotees as well. >>Many people ask that if someone is on the Advaitic path or Self-Realized >>then why should such a person sing praises of the Goddess. Such >>questioners >>do not understand the depth of the Advaitic state. When we even have a >>neighbor come over, we show respect and offer them tea. We do not say, “you >>are unreal, get out of my house”, etc. Similarly, when divine beings, >>saints, or the Goddess appears in the superconscious mind of the Sage, they >>are shown due respect and devotion and love. It is only the Self loving It >>Self in different forms. A Jnani sees no point in resisting devotion and >>love. >>Love to all >>Harsha >> >> > > >_______________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 I like this text who mentions spiritual death or spiritual self annihilation, "Fearlessness is of all Bodhisattvas and all those who tread the Boddhisttva-Path. For them life has lost its horrros and suffering its sting, for they imbue this earthly existence with new meaning, instead of despising and cursing it for its imperfections, as so many do, who in the teachings of the Buddha try to find a pretext for their own negative conception of the world. Is the smiling contenance of the Buddha, which is millionfold reflected by countless images in all Buddhist countries, the expression and attitude that is inimical to life, as modern intellectual representatives of Buddhism (especially in the West) so often try to make out? To condem life as evil, before having exhausted its possibilities for a higher development, before having penetrated to an understanding of its universal aspect, and before having realized the highest qualities of consciousness in the attainment of enlightement, the noblest fruit and ultimate fulfilment of all existence, such an attitude is not only presumptuous and unreasonable, but utterly foolish. It can only be compared to the attitude of an ignorant man who, after examining an unripe fruit, declares it uneatable and throws it away, instead of giving it time to mature. Only one who has reached that supra-individual state of Perfect Enlightenment can renounce 'individuality'. Those, however, who only suppress their sense-activities and natural functions of life, before they even have tried to make the right use of them, will not become saints but merely petrified. A saintliness, which is built merely on negative virtues, merely on avoidance and escape, may impress the crowd and may be taken as proof of self-control and spiritual strength; however, it will lead only to spiritual self-annihilation, but not to Enlightenment. It is the way of stagnation, of spiritual death. It is the liberation from suffering at the price of life and of the potential spark of Illumination within us." >From http://antoinecarre.com/love/bodhisattva.htm Or this one: ``Such a 'divine vision' is only possible through the realization of the universality of our higher consciousness. We must therefore have passed through the experience of OM in order to reach and understand the still deeper experience of HUM. This is why OM stands at the beginning and HUM at the end of the mantras. OM is the door of knowledge, HUM is the door to realization of this knowledge in life. HUM is a sacrificial sound. The Sanskrit syllable 'hu' means 'to sacrifice, to perform a sacrificial act or rite'. The sole sacrifice, however, that the Buddha recognizes, is the sacrifice of one's own self."http://antoinecarre.com/symbols/HUM.htm Or this one: "In the darkness are they who worship only the world, but in a greater darkness they who worship the infinite alone. He who accepts both saves himself or herself from death by the knowledge of the former and attains immortality by the knowledge of the latter". (Isa Upanishad, an interpretation of Rabindranath Tagore). Harsha Celestial, subtle planes, visions of angels (...) Many people ask that if someone is on the Advaitic path or Self-Realized then why should such a person sing praises of the Goddess. Such questioners do not understand the depth of the Advaitic state. When we even have a neighbor come over, we show respect and offer them tea. We do not say, “you are unreal, get out of my house”, etc. Similarly, when divine beings, saints, or the Goddess appears in the superconscious mind of the Sage, they are shown due respect and devotion and love. It is only the Self loving It Self in different forms. A Jnani sees no point in resisting devotion and love. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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