Realization already the case - no adventure

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Yes.

 

And ... no grace is needed, with nothing

out there to do any pointing

and no place is in here to be drawn into.

 

Boundaries are arbitrarily drawn, between

good and bad, beautiful and ugly.

 

So ... realization is only a word for what is

always already the case.

 

There is therefore no movement outward

to realize something, nor movement

inward to enter something.

 

Not expressible, not even by terms

like "nonseparationinterpenetration"

or "stillness"

 

As you are ... and of course no moment is more "this"

than this.

 

That there isn't a comment to be delivered,

and no way to step out of yourself to

comment, let alone to know who you are,

doesn't prevent endless miles of teachings

from being generated -- doesn't prevent

all kinds of adventures from being

undertaken, along with concomitent

experiences of heroes and villains,

journeys, gains and losses,

perceptions of beauty and ugliness,

exclamations of joy and horror.

 

That there has never been any adventure

to go on is obvious, as from before

the beginning there is nothing else.

 

Very mundane, this ...

 

:-)

 

Love,

Dan

 

 

 

 

, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> Yes. The outer guru (whoever or whatever it may be) points towards

> THAT and the inner guru draws us in as he is the Self.

>

> , Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote:

> > As are we all, Gabriele, for

> > there is only one "essence."

> > "The guru" can only point

> > toward that fact, it is for

> > us to directly see it and

> > thereby be it. For some,

> > that "guru" is a famous and

> > charismatic human, for

> > others it's the aggregate of

> > "life's lessons," painful as

> > they may be, that precedes

> > the grace of realization.

> > With that grace, all such

> > distinctions vanish.

> >

> > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:27:54 -0000 "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...>

> > writes:

> > > Joy and pain belong to the mind. The guru in his essence is

> beyond

> > > joy and pain.

> > >

> > > > Absolutely. It would be a mistake to pick a rotten guru,

> > > > and karma certainly has everything to do with which guru we

> > > > end up with. The point I wanted to make is that life is

> > > > as much our guru as any single person, and quite often

> > > > life's lessons are not easy. Pain and suffering is a much

> > > > better catalyst for personal growth than joy and bliss.

> > > > While it would be psychotic to chase after pain and suffering

> > > > instead of joy and bliss, pain is almost always the better

> > > > teacher.

> > >

> >