Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 Mazie, I love your post! It is a marvelous irony that the way we humans can begin to know the perfection of divine love is by accepting that our own and other's attempts at love will be imperfect. Then the heart can crack open. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 , "vioricail" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Mazie, > > what you say is right and beautiful. > > but I ask - when it is in physical life , > and you see limbs around the street ,blood and fingers , > bones and brain all over the place, > that very moment - what is it ? Is it love ? Beloved Vicki, My heart goes out to you for the great suffering you have to witness each day in your homeland. But, and there is that crazy, 'but' everything is Love, how can something be other than it Is? It may appear as a gross and evil thing, a frightening apparition, yet all are still, everything, still Beloved and That Love. It is always going to be in how we 'See' and associate with these things outwardly that allow for the judgement of good or bad, right or wrong, suffering or non-suffering, hate, love, sorrow and joy, all of the opposites. Of course we have our fundamentally natural laws of Love, we follow, or are supposed to follow as a society of supposedly, civilized beings who are interested in helping one another to be That Love, to live in the Heart, to serve the Beloved at each heartbeat and breath. To help our brothers and sisters mired in suffering, this is what Love wants to do. To allow everyone to be embraced by the Mighty Kindness, to be immersed in the HeartLight of Love, Unuttterable Love and Joy. I think that if one can just somehow allow the tragic circumstances to be purified and released through the Heart's Love, then regardless of what appears to be happpening in the world, the one 'watching' is unaffected. The great Peace of Self is the only state, and nothing outward can disturb that. That does not mean to imply that one should not have infinite compassion and tears of Love for those who are swept up in this Mighty Drama we call life. I babble all over the place crying my head off for the sufferers. A real Tammy Faye! So, what else is there to do but to Love Now and Love as often and as deeply and in as many ways as we ever possibly can. You have been put in a place that demands the highest level of attention to the Heart, for it is your Heart opening to Love which will help bring that same Love into anyone who might come near you, and to the world at large and to forever, That Love will grow. You are the world's Salvation in the Heart my Darling Vicki. Each of us are. And we are only OneHeart. The Immeasurable Mercy and Infinite Compassion of Beloved is so heartbreaking. So Heartbreakingly Beautiful. I send you prayers and such Love my dearest. Be well and know that it is All Love. Love, Mazie > > when people were looking at the twins falling down and > seeing other humans in despair jumping from the windows - > what they felt ? love ? > > I am serious about my question. > Please believe. I am very serious about. > > Books and our mails make love sound easy and beautiful. > Yet kingdom of God is still obscured to many and remained > methaphorical for most of people . > > > > Dearest Vicki, > > > > You mention that you would like to learn to love and to love all. > Dearest, > > it is in the doing the loving right now that you create it and make > it a > > reality. We might wait a long time waiting for that right moment, > that > > perfect window to learn how to Love and love well. It is only in > the Loving > > that it is learned and then it will grow and consume you, and you > will not > > be practicing or acting ot affecting love, you will be Love. If we > are > > hungry, we will never be satisfied by just reading cookbooks. We > must eat! > > So, at least for me, the doing and being and always giving love is > how it > > grows exponentially, for the more i give, the more i receive, for > both are > > infinite. > > > > Love, > > Mazie > > > > > > >"viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> > > > > > >"" > > > love > > >Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:23:11 +0200 > > > > > >dear Gloria, > > > > > >that is not my answer to your previous mail still; > > >that hasn't entered the list yet ; > > > > > >you raised the subject of love. > > > > > >I've been thinking quite a lot about people saying they love > > >each other , in everyday life and in everyday lists life . > > >Most of them sign their mail 'love,X.' > > >Not only once the mail carried anger , dissaproval, > > >argument,controversion - so that is why I don't speak > > >much about love or sign my emails so easily with 'love,- name'. > > > > > >I think it is easy lo tove the loveable, beauty in a landscape, > > >a good book , a clean house , a beautiful painting, > > >good people . But can we love the ugly ? > > >Can we love the one who points to our mistakes ? > > >Can we love the one who doesn't like us ? > > >Can I love my killer ? > > > > > > > > >At times I wonder ' hey ... this is why you are here perhaps. > > >This is your test. To learn the "love thy neighbour as thyself." ' > > > > > >You see, whenever I have to sign a mail , in a flash of > > >a thought all these questions come to me , > > >and I refrain from signing 'love' as I am not sure > > >I know to love the ugly or my killer . I doubt I know this > > >and I shut up. > > > > > >This is what I want to learn . I want to love . > > >Everything. Beauty and ugliness, my friend and my enemy. > > > > > > > > > > > >vicki. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 On 4/14/02 at 4:00 AM vioricail wrote: ºdear Mazie, º ºwhat you say is right and beautiful. º ºbut I ask - when it is in physical life , ºand you see limbs around the street ,blood and fingers , ºbones and brain all over the place, ºthat very moment - what is it ? Is it love ? Hi Vicki, It is not a question if there is but the Self, or that Self = God = Love. What matters is the process of interpretation, with the well known outcomes, called labels/judgments like love/hate/beauty/ugliness or adjectives like big/small. Interpretation is a function of the mind and it can be silent until having to spring into action. º ºwhen people were looking at the twins falling down and ºseeing other humans in despair jumping from the windows - ºwhat they felt ? love ? This is a good point: Self-enquiry is not limited to "who am i?". When a loved one dies, when seeing suffering around, where is it when the mind isn't interpreting as such? º ºI am serious about my question. ºPlease believe. I am very serious about. All life forms behave according to their inborn nature and yet they are free: even the food instinct of felines can be "overruled". But this comes at a high price: suffering! And when it comes to overruling the inborn nature of man, the amount of suffering met, throughout the ages has grown despite (sometimes even because of) scientific discoveries. A teacher like the Buddha could only temporarily 'reverse the flow' because of his example, and behaving like a roaming monk. º ºBooks and our mails make love sound easy and beautiful. ºYet kingdom of God is still obscured to many and remained ºmethaphorical for most of people . Knowledge by itself is without value: it's the application that matters. >From canine behavior it can be learned that the the stronger one has the privilege to give in as a weaker one doesn't impose any danger. This simple rule applies to human behavior as well: when the strong ones don't give the proper example, the weak ones will revolt.. For a good reason, Ramana didn't talk much on the subject of 'liberation' or 'moksha': not because of philosophical topics like "who is to be liberated?" or "bondage and liberation are but the 2 sides of the same coin" but because "there is but you and your perception": all perceived suffering comes from the potential to feel pain. This isn't "transcended" easily and Self-realization eventually (but not necessarily) 'opens up' the process of transcending... Jan º º º> Dearest Vicki, º> º> You mention that you would like to learn to love and to love all. ºDearest, º> it is in the doing the loving right now that you create it and make ºit a º> reality. We might wait a long time waiting for that right moment, ºthat º> perfect window to learn how to Love and love well. It is only in ºthe Loving º> that it is learned and then it will grow and consume you, and you ºwill not º> be practicing or acting ot affecting love, you will be Love. If we ºare º> hungry, we will never be satisfied by just reading cookbooks. We ºmust eat! º> So, at least for me, the doing and being and always giving love is ºhow it º> grows exponentially, for the more i give, the more i receive, for ºboth are º> infinite. º> º> Love, º> Mazie º> º> º> >"viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> º> > º> >"" º> > love º> >Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:23:11 +0200 º> > º> >dear Gloria, º> > º> >that is not my answer to your previous mail still; º> >that hasn't entered the list yet ; º> > º> >you raised the subject of love. º> > º> >I've been thinking quite a lot about people saying they love º> >each other , in everyday life and in everyday lists life . º> >Most of them sign their mail 'love,X.' º> >Not only once the mail carried anger , dissaproval, º> >argument,controversion - so that is why I don't speak º> >much about love or sign my emails so easily with 'love,- name'. º> > º> >I think it is easy lo tove the loveable, beauty in a landscape, º> >a good book , a clean house , a beautiful painting, º> >good people . But can we love the ugly ? º> >Can we love the one who points to our mistakes ? º> >Can we love the one who doesn't like us ? º> >Can I love my killer ? º> > º> > º> >At times I wonder ' hey ... this is why you are here perhaps. º> >This is your test. To learn the "love thy neighbour as thyself." ' º> > º> >You see, whenever I have to sign a mail , in a flash of º> >a thought all these questions come to me , º> >and I refrain from signing 'love' as I am not sure º> >I know to love the ugly or my killer . I doubt I know this º> >and I shut up. º> > º> >This is what I want to learn . I want to love . º> >Everything. Beauty and ugliness, my friend and my enemy. º> > º> > º> > º> >vicki. º> > º> > º> º> º> _______________ º> Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. º> http://www.hotmail.com º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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