Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 Hi Everyone: When I think abut it I must not like who I think I am. I see myself do things I wished I had not. I am wrong about a lot of things and I don't like to find out about it. I see a lot of things I don't like about myself. Since I am wrong a lot I figure there are a lot of things about myself I wouldn't like if I wasn't wrong about myself so much. I guess I expect other people to point them out to me even though I am not willing to do that for them and I don't like that about myself. I also see a lot of things I don't like about other people so I assume they feel the same way about me. I know I am a good guy at heart, that is I would help somebody if they needed it. I figure everyone has this quality at least sometimes. If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to leave this ego behind. Is it because of streets of gold or 72 virgins to do my bidding if I do? Is there something better for me. How could there be if the ego is gone. That is me that is left behind. Gone. Or is it? The stories are pretty confusing concerning this. Still I insist I want to give up this Identification with the patterns and tendencies that I am accustomed to thinking of as me. Why? For me it is because I am a lie. It takes 90% of the brain to suppress the remaining 10%, because that 10% erroneously attributes every thought to another thought, the "me", instead of me. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > When I think abut it I must not like who I think I am. Whoever I think I am is a dream character. At this point does it matter whether this dream-shadow is enjoyed or not? > I see myself do things I wished I had not. I am wrong about a lot of > things and I don't like to find out about it. I see a lot of things I > don't like about myself. Since I am wrong a lot I figure there are a > lot of things about myself I wouldn't like if I wasn't wrong about > myself so much. I guess I expect other people to point them out to me > even though I am not willing to do that for them and I don't like > that about myself. All this garbage has nothing to do with who you are. You don't know you. Are you willing to admit that? Or do you like garbage? > I also see a lot of things I don't like about other people so I > assume they feel the same way about me. Oldest trick in the book. Seeing crap in others then thinking it is their crap. Jokes on us! Crap is yours! If you are aware you can allow Energy to work Miracles. Trust Me. >I know I am a good guy at > heart, Bullshit. That's what you think. >that is I would help somebody if they needed it. Hitler would help one of his soldiers light the oven... >I figure > everyone has this quality at least sometimes. The only quality everyone has is unenlightenedment. > If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to leave > this ego behind. I propose you don't. > Is it because of streets of gold or 72 virgins to > do my bidding if I do? Is there something better for me. How could > there be if the ego is gone. Who asks? Ego is noisy. Spirit is silent. > That is me that is left behind. Gone. > Or is it? It's apparent you don't know you. Are you willing to work from there? > The stories are pretty confusing concerning this. Still I insist I > want to give up this Identification with the patterns and tendencies > that I am accustomed to thinking of as me. Why? Who you think you are, doesn't. Who you are, well... > For me it is because I am a lie. Who you think you are is. Who you are, well ... > It takes 90% of the brain to > suppress the remaining 10%, because that 10% erroneously attributes > every thought to another thought, the "me", instead of me. 90% is asleep. 10% doesn't cut it. David (confused) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 Wow! I responded to Bobby's post on nonduality, but it looks from this response that the version Bobby posted here had more to respond to. Hey Harsha, is that a marketing ploy you are using? It's like you get 10% more on Harshasatsang than on Nonduality Salon. Well, I don't blame you now that Jerry dumped his list on Gene's lap. You might as well take advantage of all the confusion about quoting over there and pick up the extra business. Harsh, I like your style. Love, Mark ps Hey Bobby, my response is kinder isn't it? Don't listen to David. Keep your eye on the prize, my friend... pps Golly, I seem to be peddling Maya today. Sheesh. ppps never mind. (any of it...) ppps hey, I have this really cool bundt pan pendant. You can buy it for only $69.95, although you would be wise to get the extended warranty for only $79.95 a month for perpetuity... Give me a few weeks to process your order because my dog ate my homework. pppps no, wait, I meant to say my dog is undergoing chemotherapy and needs a pat on the head. ppppps sheesh indeed. pppppps listen to David, Bobby, he's on target. ppppppps sometimes I pretend I wish I had a clue. , "david bozzi" <david.bozzi@n...> wrote: > , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > When I think abut it I must not like who I think I am. > > Whoever I think I am > is a dream character. > > At this point > does it matter > whether this dream-shadow > is enjoyed or not? > > > I see myself do things I wished I had not. I am wrong about a lot > of > > things and I don't like to find out about it. I see a lot of things > I > > don't like about myself. Since I am wrong a lot I figure there are > a > > lot of things about myself I wouldn't like if I wasn't wrong about > > myself so much. I guess I expect other people to point them out to > me > > even though I am not willing to do that for them and I don't like > > that about myself. > > All this garbage > has nothing to do with > who you are. > > You don't know you. > > Are you willing to admit that? > Or do you like garbage? > > > I also see a lot of things I don't like about other people so I > > assume they feel the same way about me. > > Oldest trick in the book. > > Seeing crap in others > then thinking it is their crap. > > Jokes on us! > Crap is yours! > > If you are aware > you can allow Energy > to work Miracles. > > Trust Me. > > >I know I am a good guy at > > heart, > > Bullshit. That's what you think. > > >that is I would help somebody if they needed it. > > Hitler would help one of his soldiers > light the oven... > > >I figure > > everyone has this quality at least sometimes. > > The only quality > everyone has > is unenlightenedment. > > > If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to leave > > this ego behind. > > I propose you don't. > > > Is it because of streets of gold or 72 virgins to > > do my bidding if I do? Is there something better for me. How > could > > there be if the ego is gone. > > Who asks? > > Ego is noisy. > Spirit is silent. > > > That is me that is left behind. Gone. > > Or is it? > > It's apparent you don't know you. > Are you willing to work from there? > > > The stories are pretty confusing concerning this. Still I insist I > > want to give up this Identification with the patterns and > tendencies > > that I am accustomed to thinking of as me. Why? > > Who you think you are, doesn't. > Who you are, well... > > > For me it is because I am a lie. > > Who you think you are is. > Who you are, well ... > > > It takes 90% of the brain to > > suppress the remaining 10%, because that 10% erroneously attributes > > every thought to another thought, the "me", instead of me. > > 90% is asleep. > 10% doesn't cut it. > > David > (confused) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Thanks David< I needed that. I feel like you are holding my collar and slapping me saying "Snap out of it". , "david bozzi" <david.bozzi@n...> wrote: > , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > When I think abut it I must not like who I think I am. > > Whoever I think I am > is a dream character. > > At this point > does it matter > whether this dream-shadow > is enjoyed or not? No it would just be more dream so I guess it does not matter what form the dream takes if the character is not instilled with the trait of desire for the truth. > > > I see myself do things I wished I had not. I am wrong about a lot > of > > things and I don't like to find out about it. I see a lot of things > I > > don't like about myself. Since I am wrong a lot I figure there are > a > > lot of things about myself I wouldn't like if I wasn't wrong about > > myself so much. I guess I expect other people to point them out to > me > > even though I am not willing to do that for them and I don't like > > that about myself. > > All this garbage > has nothing to do with > who you are. > > You don't know you. > > Are you willing to admit that? > Or do you like garbage? I like some of the garbage some of the time. I think you hit on the real tough part of this problem. "you don't know you". That is impossible in my world. Two me's, one that knows the other cannot be the truth. Why can't God just go ahead and let this thing right itself. "Why have you forsaken me." 5. "Lord! Thou didst capture me by stealth and all these days hast held me at Thy feet! Thou hast made me (to stand) with hanging head, (dumb) like an image when asked what is Thy nature. Lord! Deign to ease me in my weariness, struggling like a deer that is trapped. Lord Arunachala! What can be Thy will? (Yet) who am I to comprehend Thee?" Eleven Verses to Sri Arunachala.-Ramana Maharshi > > > I also see a lot of things I don't like about other people so I > > assume they feel the same way about me. > > Oldest trick in the book. > > Seeing crap in others > then thinking it is their crap. I don't care that much when other people exhibit their crap. It is mine that bothers me. Except for people who take on a public trust > > Jokes on us! > Crap is yours! > > If you are aware > you can allow Energy > to work Miracles. > > Trust Me. > > >I know I am a good guy at > > heart, > > Bullshit. That's what you think. Don't you think you are a good guy at heart? > > >that is I would help somebody if they needed it. > > Hitler would help one of his soldiers > light the oven... You are helping me. > > >I figure > > everyone has this quality at least sometimes. > > The only quality > everyone has > is unenlightenedment. You are probably right but the tendency to love the truth is in us all. The proof is that we love to find it out when we are bullshitting. > > > If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to leave > > this ego behind. > > I propose you don't. Yeah, but why do I say I do? > > > Is it because of streets of gold or 72 virgins to > > do my bidding if I do? Is there something better for me. How > could > > there be if the ego is gone. > > Who asks? > > Ego is noisy. > Spirit is silent. I like this. It is descriptive. > > > That is me that is left behind. Gone. > > Or is it? > > It's apparent you don't know you. > Are you willing to work from there? No, not right now. I am treading water right now. > > > The stories are pretty confusing concerning this. Still I insist I > > want to give up this Identification with the patterns and > tendencies > > that I am accustomed to thinking of as me. Why? > > Who you think you are, doesn't. > Who you are, well... > > > For me it is because I am a lie. > > Who you think you are is. > Who you are, well ... > > > It takes 90% of the brain to > > suppress the remaining 10%, because that 10% erroneously attributes > > every thought to another thought, the "me", instead of me. > > 90% is asleep. > 10% doesn't cut it. I know that is the way it is described. There is a subconscious that is inactive. My point is that the brain could operate fully if there were not conflicting values about who I am. Thanks a lot David, Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Wow Mark you caught me. I left off the last paragraph in the NDS post. , "markwotter704" <markwotter704> wrote: > Wow! I responded to Bobby's post on nonduality, but it looks from > this response that the version Bobby posted here had more to respond > to. Hey Harsha, is that a marketing ploy you are using? It's like you > get 10% more on Harshasatsang than on Nonduality Salon. Well, I don't > blame you now that Jerry dumped his list on Gene's lap. You might as > well take advantage of all the confusion about quoting over there and > pick up the extra business. > > Harsh, I like your style. > > Love, Mark > ps Hey Bobby, my response is kinder isn't it? Don't listen to David. I am afraid not to listen to him Mark he makes too much sense. > Keep your eye on the prize, my friend... > pps Golly, I seem to be peddling Maya today. Sheesh. There has to be a way to make a buck doing that. > ppps never mind. (any of it...) > ppps hey, I have this really cool bundt pan pendant. You can buy it > for only $69.95, although you would be wise to get the extended > warranty for only $79.95 a month for perpetuity... Give me a few > weeks to process your order because my dog ate my homework. Maybe a non-dualist hock shop would loan you a little on it. > pppps no, wait, I meant to say my dog is undergoing chemotherapy and > needs a pat on the head. > ppppps sheesh indeed. > pppppps listen to David, Bobby, he's on target. > ppppppps sometimes I pretend I wish I had a clue. Take care, I must watch Jay Leno Now. Clueless tooless, Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 I have been gone.... And it feels just fine... When we are too concerned about "becoming" we cannot become... When we try to fade away and subvert the consciousness, we plant a field of little egos... In doing rather than thinking we go within and through the "I" In happening, in existing, we are the actuality of the truth...not the attempt or the shadow of the truth... Now, it is time to fade away and get busy again... Namaste... Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: > Hey..... > > > I have been gone.... > > And it feels just fine... > > When we are too concerned about "becoming" we cannot become... > > When we try to fade away and subvert the consciousness, we plant a field of > little egos... > > In doing rather than thinking we go within and through the "I" > > In happening, in existing, we are the actuality of the truth...not the > attempt or the shadow of the truth... > > Now, it is time to fade away and get busy again... > > Namaste... > > Zenbob Well said ZB Accepting my Karma whatever it is, even when it denies my own self image is something that is difficult for me. Lots of stuff happening right now. I will follow your example to fade away and get busy. Love bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > Thanks David< I needed that. I feel like you are holding my collar > and slapping me saying "Snap out of it". That wasn't me. I was busy drinking out of the toilet. 'Collar' is an interesting metaphor that you use. The world is like a collar. A choker-chain, specifically. The more you resist the more you get chocked. > No it would just be more dream so I guess it does not matter what > form the dream takes if the character is not instilled with the trait > of desire for the truth. The Dream manifests 2 basic themes. (and an infinite mixture of the 2) Manifestation #1: I am someone who resists truth. Manifestation #2: I am someone who surrenders to truth. > I like some of the garbage some of the time. Like and dislikes are natural. Just don't build houses on them. > I think you hit on the > real tough part of this problem. "you don't know you". That is > impossible in my world. Two me's, one that knows the other cannot be > the truth. Throw 'em both out. No, wait, then you'd need a third to do the throwing. Why is not knowing you such a tough problem? Who makes it so? Imagine carrying around a heavy sack of sand on your back your entire life then one day you discover you don't need to carry a heavy sack of sand around on your back. (unless you work construction) > Why can't God just go ahead and let this thing right > itself. "Why have you forsaken me." Nothing broke. Sure looks that way sometimes. But nothing broke. I suppose if I were nailed to a piece of wood, it would appear like something was broken. Depends on the perspective Jesus the carpenter, or Christ? > I don't care that much when other people exhibit their crap. It is > mine that bothers me. Except for people who take on a public trust Letting your crap get to you can lead to the accumulation of more crap. > Don't you think you are a good guy at heart? It really doesn't matter what I think. How honest I am with myself does. Some folks think they are good at heart then go home to yell at the wife, smack the kids and kick the dog. > You are helping me. You help me. You don't even have to how. > the tendency to love the truth is in us > all. The proof is that we love to find it out when we are > bullshitting. Logic can spark action. But then gets consumed in the flame. > > > If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to > leave > > > this ego behind. > > > > I propose you don't. > > Yeah, but why do I say I do? You're asking the wrong guy. But from one wrong guy to another you've been brainwashed that ego is a horrible tumor that needs to be cut off; 'cept that brainwashing itself is cancerous. How does self-loathing feel? The way a child of god should feel? God is a good surgeon at cutting out those types of cancerous brain-washings. But do not, I repeat do *not* attempt brain-surgery on yourself. > > Ego is noisy. > > Spirit is silent. > > I like this. It is descriptive. Descriptive of what? > > It's apparent you don't know you. > > Are you willing to work from there? > > No, not right now. I am treading water right now. What's the difference between treading and resisting? > I know that is the way it is described. There is a subconscious that > is inactive. My point is that the brain could operate fully if there > were not conflicting values about who I am. If there were no conflicting beliefs regarding who I am I might not need a brain. David (brain-dead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 > > Thanks David< I needed that. I feel like you are holding my collar > > and slapping me saying "Snap out of it". > > That wasn't me. I was busy drinking out of the toilet. > 'Collar' is an interesting metaphor that you use. > The world is like a collar. > A choker-chain, specifically. I am the collar, the choker, and the choked. > The more you resist the more you get choked. > Yes the inertia of not meeting ones karma is different than non- doing. > > No it would just be more dream so I guess it does not matter what > > form the dream takes if the character is not instilled with the > trait > > of desire for the truth. > > The Dream manifests 2 basic themes. > (and an infinite mixture of the 2) > > Manifestation #1: > I am someone who resists truth. > > Manifestation #2: > I am someone who surrenders to truth. If Truth is what is really occurring and not an idea about it, resisting and surrendering would be ego and enlightenment respectively. > > > I like some of the garbage some of the time. > > Like and dislikes are natural. > Just don't build houses on them. Yeah they change like the sand. > > > I think you hit on the > > real tough part of this problem. "you don't know you". That is > > impossible in my world. Two me's, one that knows the other cannot > be > > the truth. > > Throw 'em both out. > No, wait, then you'd need a third to do the throwing. > > Why is not knowing you > such a tough problem? It is consistency that is the problem. Ten fools cross the river and when they count their number they always only count nine because each one forgets to count himself. When I know I am here I am forgetting myself. > > Who makes it so? > > Imagine carrying around a heavy sack of sand > on your back your entire life > then one day you discover you don't need > to carry a heavy sack of sand around on your back. > (unless you work construction) > > > Why can't God just go ahead and let this thing right > > itself. "Why have you forsaken me." > > Nothing broke. Sure looks that way sometimes. > But nothing broke. I suppose if I were nailed > to a piece of wood, it would appear like > something was broken. Depends on the perspective > Jesus the carpenter, or Christ? > > > I don't care that much when other people exhibit their crap. It is > > mine that bothers me. Except for people who take on a public trust > > Letting your crap get to you > can lead to the accumulation of more crap. > > > Don't you think you are a good guy at heart? > > It really doesn't matter what I think. > How honest I am with myself does. > > Some folks think they are good at heart > then go home to yell at the wife, smack the kids > and kick the dog. > > > You are helping me. > > You help me. > You don't even have to how. > > > the tendency to love the truth is in us > > all. The proof is that we love to find it out when we are > > bullshitting. > > Logic can spark action. > But then gets consumed in the flame. > > > > > If I am alright and everyone is alright too why do I want to > > leave > > > > this ego behind. > > > > > > I propose you don't. > > > > Yeah, but why do I say I do? > > You're asking the wrong guy. > But from one wrong guy to another > you've been brainwashed that ego is a horrible tumor > that needs to be cut off; 'cept that brainwashing itself > is cancerous. >How does self-loathing feel? It feels Self righteous. I don't really think ego is bad or a tumor. It is God's handiwork is an unimaginable way. > > The way a child of god should feel? > > God is a good surgeon at cutting out those > types of cancerous brain-washings. > > But do not, I repeat do *not* > attempt brain-surgery on yourself. > > > > Ego is noisy. > > > Spirit is silent. > > > > I like this. It is descriptive. > > Descriptive of what? It is practical. Philosophy lacks practicality usually. Anytime there is something to look for or act upon I am attracted to it. My Capricorn nature perhaps. St. James is my favorite book of the Bible. Silence is closer to spirit than any words. > > > > It's apparent you don't know you. > > > Are you willing to work from there? > > > > No, not right now. I am treading water right now. > > What's the difference between treading and resisting? I will let you know someday if I don't get distracted. > > > I know that is the way it is described. There is a subconscious > that > > is inactive. My point is that the brain could operate fully if > there > > were not conflicting values about who I am. > > If there were no conflicting beliefs regarding > who I am > I might not need a brain. > > David > (brain-dead) I guess you will just have to live in your heart. Wait this is backwards. You are the heart. LOve Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 , "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote: > I am the collar, the choker, and the choked. Don't forget the one who breathes freely too for god's sake! > I don't really think ego is bad or a tumor. > It is God's handiwork is an unimaginable way. So why are you so hell-bent on getting rid of it? Be honest. You have conflicting perspectives. That's ok. What's not ok is to pretend we don't have conflicting beliefs when we do. Our most promised sages embrace ego with penetrating love. When they discover that which isn't so spiritual within thenselves they don't hide it. I take that as some kind of a hint. > > What's the difference between treading and resisting? > > I will let you know someday if I don't get distracted. Play long with me for just a second, ok? Pretend that I am Enlightened. Then I confess to you that I get distracted all the time. I just can't help it. Then I tell you that Enlightenment has nothing at all to do with whether or not we get distracted or not. It has more to do with how we respond to getting distracted. Ok, game over. You can stop pretending I'm enlightened now. > I guess you will just have to live in your heart. Wait this is > backwards. You are the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Hi David: > > I don't really think ego is bad or a tumor. > > It is God's handiwork is an unimaginable way. > > So why are you so hell-bent on getting rid of it? > Be honest. > > You have conflicting perspectives. > > That's ok. > > What's not ok is to pretend > we don't have conflicting beliefs > when we do. > > Our most promised sages embrace ego > with penetrating love. > > When they discover that which isn't so spiritual > within thenselves > they don't hide it. > > I take that as some kind of a hint. > > > > What's the difference between treading and resisting? > > > > I will let you know someday if I don't get distracted. > > Play long with me for just a second, ok? > Pretend that I am Enlightened. > Then I confess to you that I get distracted all the time. > I just can't help it. > > Then I tell you that Enlightenment has nothing at all > to do with whether or not we get distracted or not. > > It has more to do with how we respond to getting distracted. > > Ok, game over. You can stop pretending I'm enlightened now. Thanks for all the good and helpful vibes. I think it helped most just to see how your mind works. Sort of a contact high. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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