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Dear Harshi,

I always like to hear your reminder of ahimsa. When I hear I think

about violence in my life (and it is still not without) and how I can

learn more ahimsa.

For the Realized it seems to be the most natural thing. So for Sri

Ramana ahimsa was only natural. His whole life was non-violent.

This here is a very beautiful story about a robbery in the Ashram,

illustrating this and how Bhagavan kept his disciple away from

violence (reminds also of some parts in the bible and Jesus). It is

taken from “Self Realization”, the first biography about Bhagavan

written by B.V. Narasimha Swami already in 1931 (nearly 20 years

before Maharshi’s death). It is at long story, but the weekend is

near and so many of you will perhaps find the muse to read.

In HIM

Gabriele

 

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“It was a dark summer night about 11-30 P.M. on 26th June, 1924.

Maharshi had retired to rest as usual on the dais in the long

thatched hall in front of his mother’s Samadhi. Four disciples were

resting near various windows in the hall. After mid-night two of

them, Kunjuswami and Mastan, heard the loud remark of some persons

outside – the thieves -, “There are six persons lying inside.” Mastan

shouted, “Who is it?”

The thieves replied by smashing the glass panes of a window: their

evident intention being to strike terror in the minds of the inmates.

Kunju and Mastan left their beds, near that window and came near

Maharshi’s dais as a safer place of retreat. The thieves then ran up

and smashed the window near Maharshi who merely sat in silence. Kunju

then opened the northern door of the hall and brought Ramakrishna

(another disciple) from an adjoining hut for help.

Meanwhile, through the open door, the two dogs of the Asram, Karuppan

and Jack, issued out, but the thieves beat them mercilessly. The

sickly Karuppan howled and ran in immediately, while Jack ran away.

 

When Kunju returned to the hall, he and Maharshi told the thieves that

there was very little for them to take, and that they were welcome to

enter and take what they liked. Still without listening to them the

thieves kept digging out a window from the wall.

Then Kunju began to use threats and said he would give them a good

drubbing if they persisted in their mischief; and he tried to go out

of the southern door to face the thieves.

Maharshi dissuaded him, saying: “Let these (thieves) play their role

(Dharma); we shall stick to ours. Let them do what they like; it is

for us to bear and forbear. Let us not interfere with them.”

 

Despite this unruffled forbearance (titiksha) of Maharshi and of

Kunju, who obeyed Maharshi’s direction, the bluster and mischief of

the thieves increased. They threw some squibs at the window to create

the impression that they had firearms with them.

Again they were told to enter and take what they liked, not minding

Kunju’s threats; but they replied with vows of vengeance on the young

man. Then Kunju left the cottage, crossed the fields and reached the

town to get help, so that Maharshi might be safe.

 

Meanwhile Ramakrishna again asked the thieves not to create

unnecessary trouble but to take what they liked. The thieves

threatened to burn down the thatched roof. Maharshi told them that

they should not do that and offered to leave the hall and go away

with the other inmates. This was the very thing they wanted. Maharshi

wanted the sickly dog Karuppan first to be taken to a safe place lest

the thieves should beat and kill it; so Ramakrishna carried it to a

shed.

 

Before he returned Maharshi with the other disciples, Thangavelu

Pillai, Mastan and Munisamier, issued out of the northern door. The

thieves beat each of them with sticks, evidently with a view to

disable them. Maharshi received a blow on his left thigh, and at once

said “If you are not satisfied yet, you may strike the other leg

also.” But either the ruffian’s heart did not allow him to take the

Swami at his word or, what is more probable, Ramakrishna came up just

in time, extended both his hands over the Swami, and thus warding off

the thief’s strokes, took Maharshi further north. Then the beaten

party reached the northern shed and sat there. The thieves directed

them to stay there, adding “If you budge from here, your heads will

be smashed.”

Maharshi told the thieves, “You have the entire hall to yourself; do what you like.”

 

Then a thief returned and said he wanted a hurricane lamp. Maharshi

ordered that it should be given to him, so Ramakrishna gave him a

lighted lamp. Again a thief returned and wanted the keys of the

bureau. But this bunch Kunju had carried away and the thief was

informed of that fact.

The thieves broke open the almirahs and carried away a razor, strips

of silver that adorned the images, a little rice and some mangoes.

The total worth of the Asram property thus taken was about ten

rupees. Cash, viz., six rupees of the visitor Thagavelu Pillai, was

also taken away. A thief, grossly disappointed, returned with

uplifted stick and said “Where is your money, where do you keep

that?”

Maharshi told him that they were poor sadhus living upon alms – and

never had cash. Repeatedly the thief urged this question, got the

same reply, and then went back to the hall.

 

After the thief went back, Maharshi advised Ramakrishna and others,

who had received injuries, to use some balm for allaying their pain.

“But what about Swami?, was Ramakrishna’s inquiry, to which the Swami

humorously replied that he had “received adequate pooja,” which

literally means worship, though here it signifies blows.

Ramakrishna then saw the weal on the left thigh of his master. He

seized an iron implement that was hard by and wanted “permission to

go in and see what the thieves were doing.”

Maharshi noted his excitement and dissuaded him from violence.

“We are sadhus, we should not give up our role (Dharma)”, he said. “If

you go and strike them some may die. That will be a matter for which

the world will justly blame not the thieves, but us. These are only

misguided men. They are blinded by ignorance. But let us note what is

right and stick to it. Sometimes your teeth suddenly bite your own

tongue; do you knock them out in consequence?” Maharshi thus quieted

Ramakrishna from avenging his master.

 

At 2 a.m. the thieves left. Later Kunju returned with a village

officer and a couple of constables. Maharshi was still seated in the

northern shed, calm, composed and discoursing with the disciples on

matters spiritual as usual. The constables asked Maharshi what had

happened. He drily remarked that some fools had broken into the Asram

and gone away disappointed at finding nothing worth their trouble. The

constables made an entry of this fact and went away with the officer.

Munisamier (a young boy doing pooja at the Asram) then ran after them

and told them that Maharshi and others had been beaten by the

robbers.

 

In the morning the Circle Inspector, Sub-Inspector, and a Head

Constable came up for investigation followed by the Deputy

Superintendent. Maharshi talked to none of them about his injury.

 

Maharshi never spoke with anger or pain about the thieves; in fact he

rarely referred to the incident. A few days later some of the Asram

property was recovered and the thieves were arrested, promptly tried

and convicted.”

 

Narasima Swami: Self Realization, p. 152-156

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Gabriele Ebert

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Friday, May 03, 2002 1:26 PM

Sri

Ramana and ahimsa

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color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I always like to hear your reminder of

ahimsa. When I hear I think about violence in my life (and it is still not

without) and how I can learn more ahimsa.

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margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">For the Realized it seems to be the most natural

thing. So for Sri Ramana ahimsa was only natural. His whole life was

non-violent.

margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">This here is a very beautiful story about

a robbery in the Ashram, illustrating this and how Bhagavan kept his disciple

away from violence (reminds also of some parts in the bible and Jesus). It is

taken from “Self Realization”, the first biography about Bhagavan written by

B.V. Narasimha Swami already in 1931 (nearly 20 years before Maharshi’s death).

It is at long story, but the weekend is near and so many of you will perhaps

find the muse to read.

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color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">In HIM

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">“It was a dark

summer night about 11-30 P.M. on 26th June, 1924. Maharshi had

retired to rest as usual on the dais in the long thatched hall in front of his

mother’s Samadhi. Four disciples were resting near various windows in the hall.

After mid-night two of them, Kunjuswami and Mastan, heard the loud remark of

some persons outside – the thieves -, “There are six persons lying inside.”

Mastan shouted, “Who is it?”

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">The thieves replied

by smashing the glass panes of a window: their evident intention being to

strike terror in the minds of the inmates. Kunju and Mastan left their beds,

near that window and came near Maharshi’s dais as a safer place of retreat. The

thieves then ran up and smashed the window near Maharshi who merely sat in

silence. Kunju then opened the northern door of the hall and brought

Ramakrishna (another disciple) from an adjoining hut for help.

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Meanwhile,

through the open door, the two dogs of the Asram, Karuppan and Jack, issued

out, but the thieves beat them mercilessly. The sickly Karuppan howled and ran

in immediately, while Jack ran away.

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">When Kunju

returned to the hall, he and Maharshi told the thieves that there was very

little for them to take, and that they were welcome to enter and take what they

liked. Still without listening to them the thieves kept digging out a window

from the wall.

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Then Kunju began

to use threats and said he would give them a good drubbing if they persisted in

their mischief; and he tried to go out of the southern door to face the

thieves.

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mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Maharshi

dissuaded him, saying: “Let these (thieves)

play their role (Dharma); we shall stick to ours. Let them do what they like;

it is for us to bear and forbear. Let us not interfere with them.”

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Despite this unruffled forbearance (titiksha) of

Maharshi and of Kunju, who obeyed Maharshi’s direction, the bluster and

mischief of the thieves increased. They threw some squibs at the window to

create the impression that they had firearms with them.

color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Again they were told to enter and take what they

liked, not minding Kunju’s threats; but they replied with vows of vengeance on

the young man. Then Kunju left the cottage, crossed the fields and reached the

town to get help, so that Maharshi might be safe.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Meanwhile Ramakrishna again asked the thieves not to

create unnecessary trouble but to take what they liked. The thieves threatened

to burn down the thatched roof. Maharshi told them that they should not do that

and offered to leave the hall and go away with the other inmates. This was the

very thing they wanted. Maharshi wanted the sickly dog Karuppan first to be

taken to a safe place lest the thieves should beat and kill it; so Ramakrishna

carried it to a shed.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Before he returned Maharshi with the other disciples,

Thangavelu Pillai, Mastan and Munisamier, issued out of the northern door. The

thieves beat each of them with sticks, evidently with a view to disable them. Maharshi

received a blow on his left thigh, and at once said “If you are not satisfied

yet, you may strike the other leg also.” But either the ruffian’s

heart did not allow him to take the Swami at his word or, what is more

probable, Ramakrishna came up just in time, extended both his hands over the

Swami, and thus warding off the thief’s strokes, took Maharshi further north.

Then the beaten party reached the northern shed and sat there. The thieves

directed them to stay there, adding “If you budge from here, your heads will be

smashed.”

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Maharshi told the thieves, “You have the entire hall

to yourself; do what you like.”

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Then a thief returned and said he wanted a hurricane

lamp. Maharshi ordered that it should be given to him, so Ramakrishna gave him

a lighted lamp. Again a thief returned and wanted the keys of the bureau. But

this bunch Kunju had carried away and the thief was informed of that fact.

color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">The thieves broke open the almirahs and carried away a

razor, strips of silver that adorned the images, a little rice and some

mangoes. The total worth of the Asram property thus taken was about ten rupees.

Cash, viz., six rupees of the visitor Thagavelu Pillai, was also taken away. A

thief, grossly disappointed, returned with uplifted stick and said “Where is

your money, where do you keep that?”

mso-color-alt:windowtext">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Maharshi told him that they were poor sadhus living

upon alms – and never had cash. Repeatedly the thief urged this question, got

the same reply, and then went back to the hall.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">After the thief went back, Maharshi advised

Ramakrishna and others, who had received injuries, to use some balm for allaying

their pain. “But what about Swami?, was Ramakrishna’s inquiry, to which the

Swami humorously replied that he had “received

adequate pooja,” which literally means worship, though here it

signifies blows.

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Ramakrishna then saw the weal on the left thigh of his

master. He seized an iron implement that was hard by and wanted “permission to

go in and see what the thieves were doing.”

color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">

0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Maharshi noted his excitement and dissuaded him from

violence.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-weight:bold">“We are sadhus, we should not give up

our role (Dharma)”, he said.

bold">“If you go and strike them some may die. That will be a matter for which

the world will justly blame not the thieves, but us. These are only misguided

men. They are blinded by ignorance. But let us note what is right and stick to

it. Sometimes your teeth suddenly bite your own tongue; do you knock them out

in consequence?” Maharshi thus quieted Ramakrishna from

avenging his master.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">At 2 a.m. the thieves left. Later Kunju returned with

a village officer and a couple of constables. Maharshi was still seated in the

northern shed, calm, composed and discoursing with the disciples on matters

spiritual as usual. The constables asked Maharshi what had happened. He drily

remarked that some fools had broken into the Asram and gone away disappointed

at finding nothing worth their trouble. The constables made an entry of this

fact and went away with the officer.

mso-color-alt:windowtext">

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Munisamier (a young boy doing pooja at the Asram) then

ran after them and told them that Maharshi and others had been beaten by the

robbers.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">In the morning the Circle Inspector, Sub-Inspector,

and a Head Constable came up for investigation followed by the Deputy

Superintendent. Maharshi talked to none of them about his injury.

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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Maharshi never spoke with anger or pain about the

thieves; in fact he rarely referred to the incident. A few days later some of

the Asram property was recovered and the thieves were arrested, promptly tried

and convicted.”

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the

ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where

the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true

devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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