John/From the web site on Ramana Maharshi

[Guest guest]

Greetings John:

 

Welcome to the Sangha.

 

Enjoyed reading of your experience. All of us are like that, reading

different works and assimilating the teachings and having experiences and

openings in consciousness. When my teacher visited Sri Ramana, the sage was

keeping silent. My teacher told me that upon being asked about the highest

realization, Ramana Maharshi pointed his finger to the sky and then to his

heart. From my teacher's description, I felt that Sri Ramana was saying that

what is the highest reality can be found directly by looking at one's own

heart, the center of being.

 

The main guiding principle for life conduct and supporting others on the

spiritual path is said by sages to be, Nonviolence or Ahimsa. What is

Nonviolence can differ depending on the context of the situation.

Nonviolence essentially means to respect life and to not harm living beings

or minimize harm.

 

From the principle of Nonviolence follows the secondary principle of

Anekantvad (relativity in perspectives or multiple perspectives on reality),

which implies tolerance for other points of views and non-imposition on

others. The third main principle is the doctrine of Karma. This doctrine

implies that the perceived universe is governed by exact laws at both the

subtlest form of matter as well as the grossest form of matter.

 

There is no antidote to rage, anger, and hatred other than Nonviolence.

Without it the cycle of suffering continues.

 

Many of ancient sages such as Buddha are known for their emphasis on

compassion and forgiveness. Mahavira, the Jain sage was considered to be the

prophet of Nonviolence. In the Bible, it says also that God is Love.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

 

johnrloganis [johnrloganis]

Monday, May 20, 2002 2:17 AM

From the web site on Ramana Maharshi

 

"So follow your truth, and you will see that You are the Truth It

Self. Then you will love and support "others" and allow them to

follow their truth in their way."

 

Greetings Harsha,

I have just joined your discussion group and find a lovely spirit in

the posts, very creative people.

 

I also have been to your web site and in the link to your email

response to someone about Ramana Maharshi you describe your own

encounter with yourself. At the end was the above quote.

 

In "allowing them to follow their truth in their way" does this mean

to support people of whatever faith they are - such as Buddhist,

Muslim, Christian, etc. as they are.

 

I would gather that one should make no attempt to do anything other

than support them in their chosen way -- unless asked about what is

happening with me -- then I can share without making one way better

than another, only that it is good for me. Am I getting the spirit of

your message.

 

I have been working with the writings of Krishnamurti and Poonja,

referring back constantly to Ramana Maharshi's writings. I don't know

if I am "getting it or not" but I had an interesting experience and

my view of many things is changing. I was driving down the street and

thinking "who is driving?" and "who is being aware of who am I" and

there was a subtle shift in my perception and I had the

feeling/awareness that all of the people driving on the streets of

the city were all one mind, one self. The harmony for me of the

traffic was amazing. If you knew the traffic in my city you would

understand that it is normally frantic and dangerous -- yet in that

sense that not just I was driving but all of us were One Self, there

could be and was only harmonious activity.

 

Ever since there has be a feeling of "loss", as if I am losing a part

of myself, yet I am not depressed, rather a kind of quiet smile

coming from inside. Ever since I am aware of my attachment to

many "distractions" and they are no long so important as they once

were. I no longer like to listen to the radio as I drive as an

instance of what I mean by distractions.

 

I can't imagine what it must be like to live in that harmony all the

time -- but my feeling is to just let everything be whatever it is.

 

Is any of this making sense, or am I just babbling?

 

John

[Guest guest]

Greetings Harsha,

Thank you. Your response spoke appropriately. It was just right.

John

 

, "Harsha" wrote:

> Greetings John:

>

> Welcome to the Sangha.

>

> Enjoyed reading of your experience. All of us are like that, reading

> different works and assimilating the teachings and having

experiences and

> openings in consciousness. When my teacher visited Sri Ramana, the

sage was

> keeping silent. My teacher told me that upon being asked about the

highest

> realization, Ramana Maharshi pointed his finger to the sky and then

to his

> heart. From my teacher's description, I felt that Sri Ramana was

saying that

> what is the highest reality can be found directly by looking at

one's own

> heart, the center of being.

>

> The main guiding principle for life conduct and supporting others

on the

> spiritual path is said by sages to be, Nonviolence or Ahimsa. What

is

> Nonviolence can differ depending on the context of the situation.

> Nonviolence essentially means to respect life and to not harm

living beings

> or minimize harm.

>

> From the principle of Nonviolence follows the secondary principle

of

> Anekantvad (relativity in perspectives or multiple perspectives on

reality),

> which implies tolerance for other points of views and non-

imposition on

> others. The third main principle is the doctrine of Karma. This

doctrine

> implies that the perceived universe is governed by exact laws at

both the

> subtlest form of matter as well as the grossest form of matter.

>

> There is no antidote to rage, anger, and hatred other than

Nonviolence.

> Without it the cycle of suffering continues.

>

> Many of ancient sages such as Buddha are known for their emphasis on

> compassion and forgiveness. Mahavira, the Jain sage was considered

to be the

> prophet of Nonviolence. In the Bible, it says also that God is Love.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

>

>

>

>

>

> johnrloganis [johnrloganis]

> Monday, May 20, 2002 2:17 AM

>

> From the web site on Ramana Maharshi

>

> "So follow your truth, and you will see that You are the Truth It

> Self. Then you will love and support "others" and allow them to

> follow their truth in their way."

>

> Greetings Harsha,

> I have just joined your discussion group and find a lovely spirit in

> the posts, very creative people.

>

> I also have been to your web site and in the link to your email

> response to someone about Ramana Maharshi you describe your own

> encounter with yourself. At the end was the above quote.

>

> In "allowing them to follow their truth in their way" does this mean

> to support people of whatever faith they are - such as Buddhist,

> Muslim, Christian, etc. as they are.

>

> I would gather that one should make no attempt to do anything other

> than support them in their chosen way -- unless asked about what is

> happening with me -- then I can share without making one way better

> than another, only that it is good for me. Am I getting the spirit

of

> your message.

>

> I have been working with the writings of Krishnamurti and Poonja,

> referring back constantly to Ramana Maharshi's writings. I don't

know

> if I am "getting it or not" but I had an interesting experience and

> my view of many things is changing. I was driving down the street

and

> thinking "who is driving?" and "who is being aware of who am I" and

> there was a subtle shift in my perception and I had the

> feeling/awareness that all of the people driving on the streets of

> the city were all one mind, one self. The harmony for me of the

> traffic was amazing. If you knew the traffic in my city you would

> understand that it is normally frantic and dangerous -- yet in that

> sense that not just I was driving but all of us were One Self, there

> could be and was only harmonious activity.

>

> Ever since there has be a feeling of "loss", as if I am losing a

part

> of myself, yet I am not depressed, rather a kind of quiet smile

> coming from inside. Ever since I am aware of my attachment to

> many "distractions" and they are no long so important as they once

> were. I no longer like to listen to the radio as I drive as an

> instance of what I mean by distractions.

>

> I can't imagine what it must be like to live in that harmony all the

> time -- but my feeling is to just let everything be whatever it is.

>

> Is any of this making sense, or am I just babbling?

>

> John