Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 I sense that at times, not all times of course, but at times, dreams can be much more than just this projection of our inner state of being. I also think that existence, in or out of the dream state actually defies simple reduction into single word or even multi-word distillation. As tempting as it is to joyfully wrap all into these inclusive and happy wrappers, all is pretty big, and tends to defy such simple expedients. Sure, we are wave/points of existence in a sea of other wave/points that could be seen or considered a single ongoing/changing enitity in the flux of the great ALL, but that does not get us closer to understaning the underlying mechanics of consciousness in a state by state, moment by moment search of dream realities. THings do go on in the dream state...often just the mundane stuff of daily waking states superimposed on the subconscious mind with a good dosage of physiological input, past memory, etc. However, it often transcends this simple state by leaps and bounds and enters in a superpositional state where the actual boundary realities of physics come into question. Time and place are challenged and individuals who have had one or more such vivid "waking dream" experiences are usually very moved or stunned--even disturbed by the experience because it often jars their sense of reality. I believe this deserves a more detailed and scientific inquiry...there should be some forms of repeatable testing that could be done to better understand this mechanism. Can such states be iunduced? If so, how? If so, what is the underlying mechanism? If we can gain some knowledge of this, we can intuit or perhaps more accurately suggest a larger universal mechanism. Yeah, I know, it is all Divine Allness and Love. OK, but really, what is going on here? Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: >>> However, it [dreaming] often transcends this simple state by leaps and bounds and enters in a superpositional state where the actual boundary realities of physics come into question. Time and place are challenged and individuals who have had one or more such vivid "waking dream" experiences are usually very moved or stunned--even disturbed by the experience because it often jars their sense of reality. <<< Excellent that, the idea of the dream state as a 'superpositional state'. What if we can look at visionary states that way as well... Hey and why not dealing with samadhi that way? It would move us into a scientific treatment. Is it needed...? Nothing is needed... Everything is about freedom... So...? No matter how various awareness states of being are categorized: as reality or illusion, as dream or hallucination, as vision or imagination, as lie or truth... These states are 'noted'. A fresh look from the newest scientific approaches would be beneficial... Some fresh approach that does not drag in outdated misconceptions and worn out or untenable worldviews. Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Hi Dan, You wrote: >>> Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself. You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." :-) <<< Never had a teacher, Dan...! And why oh why using the word 'seduction'...? And why oh why the notion that we may have 'fallen for' something? And why oh why your interest in even the possibility of seduction? Wim PS >>> Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself.<<< Dan, when show me how you kick yourself in the ass, I will take you on as my teacher and I will gladly kick you in the ass. :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Hi Dan, You asked: >>> *Why* oh why using the word "why"...? <<< You then wrote : >>> You've fallen for asking why. <<< Duh ! Wim :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , zen2wrk@a... wrote: >but really, what is going on here? .....an excellent question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: No matter how various awareness states of being are categorized: as reality or illusion, as dream or hallucination, as vision or imagination, as lie or truth... These states are 'noted'. .....Very observant, Wim! :-)) yes, every state -- from the sublime to the ridiculous, so to speak -- witness consciousness, formless consciousness, unity consciousness, ego consciousness, etc. are all arising in a "context" (Awareness) which cannot be "known", but which embraces every state simultaneously, and is Source for the emergence and the dissolution of any and all states of experience. when identity is fixated at any state, then all that is seen is filtered "through the eyes" of that state, thus the hunkering down in less than Freedom. this is a point that many involved in so-called spiritual adventures miss, unless they have the benefit of a true teacher who can kick their ass whenever they are tempted to fall for the old seductions. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: > > No matter how various awareness states of being are categorized: as > reality or illusion, as dream or hallucination, as vision or > imagination, as lie or truth... These states are 'noted'. > > > > ....Very observant, Wim! :-)) > > yes, every state -- from the sublime to the ridiculous, so to speak -- > witness consciousness, formless consciousness, unity consciousness, > ego consciousness, etc. are all arising in a "context" (Awareness) > which cannot be "known", but which embraces every state > simultaneously, and is Source for the emergence and the dissolution > of any and all states of experience. when identity is fixated at any > state, then all that is seen is filtered "through the eyes" of that > state, thus the hunkering down in less than Freedom. this is a point > that many involved in so-called spiritual adventures miss, unless > they have the benefit of a true teacher who can kick their ass > whenever they are tempted to fall for the old seductions. > > LoveAlways, > > b Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself. You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." :-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Another kick! That simultaneity is a seduction as well... At 07:21 PM 6/3/02 +0000, dan330033 wrote: , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > witness consciousness, formless consciousness, unity consciousness, > ego consciousness, etc. are all arising in a "context" (Awareness) > which cannot be "known", but which embraces every state > simultaneously, and is Source for the emergence and the dissolution > of any and all states of experience. when identity is fixated at Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself. You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." :-) Dan ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click./ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/bpSolB/TM ---~-> /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: >You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." ..... so many mistake the pointing for the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Another kick! That simultaneity is a seduction as well... .....LOL -- the proverbial one-legged man at a butt-kicking contest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 And a kick for getting your kicks from kicks! :-) Master, it is said you've been known to get your kicks on Route 66 -- :-) , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Another kick! That simultaneity is a seduction as well... > > At 07:21 PM 6/3/02 +0000, dan330033 wrote: > >, "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > > > witness consciousness, formless consciousness, unity consciousness, > >> ego consciousness, etc. are all arising in a "context" (Awareness) > >> which cannot be "known", but which embraces every state > >> simultaneously, and is Source for the emergence and the dissolution > >> of any and all states of experience. when identity is fixated at > > > > > >Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself. > > > >You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." > > > >:-) > > > >Dan > > > > > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote: > , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > > >You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." > > > > .... so many mistake the pointing for the moon. So many mistake their pointing, for a pointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 > ....LOL -- > > the proverbial one-legged man at a butt-kicking contest! Yes, how does he do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 It's all in the wires, like a Jet Li movie! At 08:41 PM 6/3/02 +0000, dan330033 wrote: >> ....LOL -- >> >> the proverbial one-legged man at a butt-kicking contest! > >Yes, how does he do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Hi Wim -- > You wrote: > >>> Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself. > You've both fallen for the seduction of "Awareness." > :-) <<< > > Never had a teacher, Dan...! You have, but you didn't notice, Wim...! > And why oh why using the word 'seduction'...? Why oh why using the word "why"...? > And why oh why the notion that we may have 'fallen for' something? You've fallen for asking why. > And why oh why your interest in even the possibility of seduction? To relieve you of your seduction by why... Dan > PS > >>> Kick your teacher in the ass, and then yourself.<<< > Dan, when show me how you kick yourself in the ass, I will take you on as my > teacher and I will gladly kick you in the ass. :-) I'm sure you would, Wim. But don't look so far away. The goal is so much closer than you think ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , Greg Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > It's all in the wires, like a Jet Li movie! Yu Da Mahn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > So many mistake their pointing, for a pointing .....excellent example! Thank you, Dan! :-)) LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Greg!! "Lunatic Skywalker" photo by Jacques De Schryver - Greg Goode ; Monday, June 03, 2002 4:53 PM Re: Re: Dreams It's all in the wires, like a Jet Li movie!At 08:41 PM 6/3/02 +0000, dan330033 wrote:>> ....LOL -->> >> the proverbial one-legged man at a butt-kicking contest!>>Yes, how does he do it? Attachment: (application/octet-stream) lunatic_skywalker_34sm.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 > ....excellent example! > > Thank you, Dan! :-)) You're welcome, Bob! :-)) But I take no credit -- It's all the example. > LoveAlways, > > b Nothing else -- d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Adi! > Duh ! > > Wim :-) :-Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: Nothing else -- d ..... Namaste, Dan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 > .... Namaste, Dan! Yup! Keep dem love fires burnin', Bob! Shalom -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote: > Yup! Keep dem love fires burnin', Bob! .....Ammachi is coming to town tomorrow. i'm taking Mazie, who has never met the "Crazy Girl from Kerala". imagine the possibilities! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Must recalibrate my telescope...all I get are really big pics of fingerprints... Blessings, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 And a kick for getting your kicks from kicks! :-) Master, it is said you've been known to get your kicks on Route 66 -- :-) Fine, so long as it's not "Route 666" :-)> Blessings, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.