thanks b.

[Guest guest]

Thanks b, I appreciate the effort. Didn't go deep enough that time,

but you are certainly appreciated,...Don't give up (on me, that is)

What is your name? (if you don't mind or if you wish I'll just keep

reponding to "b".

poor slob caught in duality, Shawn

( I AM starting to go invisable) that was good, I could feel it

working. I'm afraid deep in there somewhere of I don't know what...

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on 5/31/02 10:45 AM, hrtbeat7 at hrtbeat7 wrote:

))))) Hi Shawn,

Thank you for your thoughtful responses. At first I started to answer

you with mind, but that is not what we really want to be doing here –

playing with intellect and concepts, is it?

There is enormous "help", of course, and yet isn't it funny how we

frequently assume that Truth is divided – that there is "Absolute

Truth", and then there are all of us poor slobs somewhere,

divided from that Truth, who are needing some help to get to that

Truth? Few stop to consider that, for Truth to be True, then It must

be True always and everywhere.

Still, let's let this drop into that place you seem to feel I am

denying – the place of "the very real suffering that is experienced

by those not yet awakened to their true Position!" Let's for a moment

put aside all of our notions about enlightenment, Truth, positions,

Ramana, gurus, shakti, and such, and "feel into" our present

condition, may we? Can we take this moment to just explore who is the

one looking out of our eyes?

The initial tendency is to go to mind, but we've played that game

enough to recognize that mind cannot exceed itself. We may then look

to our emotions, but only with similar results, eh? When mind and

emotion are examined and released from the demand to know, then what

is left? Usually, we answer something like: "Me". Now, the

interesting thing is, when we have excused mind and emotions to go

out and play for the time being while this inquiry is pursued, we

find that we really are unable to nail down this "me". For most, it

remains some kind of vague amorphous something that resists the light

of such an inquiry. However, if we persist, not trying to know or

understand, but just persisting in the momentum of this inquiry, we

may begin to intuit a kind of story that we have been telling

ourselves, a kind of narrative that actually comprises the content of

our ordinary waking or even sleeping consciousness. In fact, it seems

to be the driver for all of our sense of self. If we are willing to

be courageous, we might go a bit further and question:

"Is it true? Is this story true, or more a collection of beliefs and

assumptions gathered from random conditioning factors, and all hung

along the clothesline of a central concept – "I"? We can ask this

question without expecting a yes or know, but just letting it

penetrate, penetrate, and then, if we can be fearless in the face of

what reveals itself, we can allow a kind of falling off the cliff of

our certainties, and into the vastness of the unknown, which we may

be surprised to realize is the Home we have always been seeking.

LoveAlways,

b

[Guest guest]

, shawn <shawn@w...> wrote:

>Don't give up (on me, that is)

 

 

.....Dear Shawn --

we're all here together.

 

 

 

What is your name? (if you don't mind or if you wish I'll just keep

reponding to "b".

 

 

.....you can call me Bob.

 

 

poor slob caught in duality, Shawn

 

 

.....Nondual does not mean not dual.

 

 

 

( I AM starting to go invisable) that was good, I could feel it

working. I'm afraid deep in there somewhere of I don't know what...

 

 

....yes, so few are willing to face the fact of their own non-

existence, and yet, unless this death of all we believe we are is

welcomed and lovingly embraced, we will never, ever be truly free.

 

LoveAlways,

 

b