Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Hi Shawn You wrote: >>> Is that short for William? An anylist, I presume? <<< Me analyst? Oh gosh! :-) Wim is short for Wilhelmus, or Wilhelm or William or Guillaume or Guglielmo or Guillermo >>> I hope you didn't get the impression that I was somehow the charleton police! <<< I may be a charlatan, but I am not paranoid... :-) For me being a charlatan, I have earned quite a bit of staying power on this list. >>> But never mind, let's hook those wires up and get at the truth! ;-) <<< If you don't mind getting burned when you hit the truth... so yes let's! >>> Always right here <<< I'm always right too - here :-) Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Hi Wim. Is that short for William? An anylist, I presume? I hope you didn't get the impression that I was somehow the charleton police! I'M with you, some are quite loveable, like George C Scott or Ryan O"Neil....as for preparing the West for Tibetan Buddhism...I don't feel that has been done! Where is it...over at Richard Gere's house? But never mind, let's hook those wires up and get at the truth! ;-) Always right here, Shawn ======================== on 5/30/02 6:01 AM, Wim Borsboom at wim wrote: > Hi Shawn and CJ > > This type of discussion I like... There is also the story of Tuesday Lobsang > Rampa... now seen as a charlatan by many... the influence he had though on > preparing the West for Tibetan Buddhism was immense. > Same with Alan Watts, we cannot just discard those people as charlatans... I > hear also enough silly stuff about the celestial Prophesy man "Redfield"... > some think he is a fraud. > I know of the great suffering that these people go through... Osho comes to > mind... and indeed Adi Da, (Franklin Jones)... even deposed Zen masters > (alcoholism). We cannot allow derision of these people... understanding is > needed. > We have had plenty of people on this list who think they have to be > vigilantes against charlatans. I'd rather love charlatans, as I can > understand them. (Hehehe, being one myself in the eyes of some at least :-) > Derision (which comes in many forms from disdain to scorn, dislike, > disrespect, contempt, indignation, dispisal etc.) is the real problem.... > > The charlatan characterization (deeming another human being to be a > charlatan...) comes from the person who does the charlataning... Ask a > charlatanee ( 'a deemed' charlatan) personally... which I have done a few > times... and you get a totally different picture... > Talk to a "charlataner" eye to eye... and often, very quickly great anger > surfaces, sometimes very close to violence... > That is the problem... They invariably have been duped... but not by the > alleged charlatan. They have been duped and maltreated, very deeply hurt > very early in their life by someone very close to them. But rather than > addressing the original duper with legitimate anger (fear being the reason > for not being able to do that) they transpose their mistrust and anger on > someone who could possibly be the one who can help them free themselves from > their original pain and through their anger. > > Why don't we face this... People who are 'charlatan vigilantes' (the ones > who have a great need to expose dupers) also have a lot of denial in their > life... In previous years on this list, I have often enough explained how > that works. I called it the "Tony Syndrome" > Denial, indeed, in my work I encounter denial an immense lot... Most of you > know that I use quite an advanced cutting edge biofeedback machine in my > work...(keeps me objective). Denial always shows up as periods of no signal > coming through from the client. Then all of a sudden great bursts of > energy. One way or another, through the way I assist, I have them come in > touch with that quickly... It is very emotional and extremely liberating... > Ah the relief... when the denial disappears... > > Let me just leave it at this... > > Wim > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the > ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. > A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising > from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 >>> I hope you didn't get the impression that I was somehow the charletonpolice! <<<I may be a charlatan, but I am not paranoid... :-)For me being a charlatan, I have earned quite a bit of staying power on thislist. Wimsie dear, I don't know if your "staying power" is more a credit to you or the generosity of the list philosophy's tolerance policy :) - however, you do get extra points for being funny!! Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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