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Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

 

So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old lady like

Amma?

 

What a pity. :-)

 

love

 

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Hi Eric,

 

Amma is the re-presentation of Love and is as human/non-human as

you or me.

 

I feel that it is not about surrendering to another human being

that has been idolized/idealized.

 

I feel that the surrender and wholehearted acceptance is Love. It

is not a surrender 'to' nor an accecpting 'of' something - it is 'what

is' when there is no one and nothing other than One.

 

One who resonates/represents Love is like a burning log. When

another log is close to the one that is burning there is a

'Transmission of the Flame' and 'separation' is consumed in the

eternal flame of Love - Love.

 

 

Love,

James

 

 

 

, ErcAshfrd@a... wrote:

> Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

>

> So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old

lady like

> Amma?

>

> What a pity. :-)

>

> love

>

> eric

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, ErcAshfrd@a... wrote:

> Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

>

> So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old

lady like

> Amma?

>

> What a pity. :-)

>

> love

>

> eric

 

Dear Eric,

 

Actually, I already surrendered

wholeheartedly to the little old lady

from Pasadena. You know, the

one who left everyone breathless

and chanting, "Go Granny, go

granny, go granny, go!"

She breezed in and

out of my life in a flash, and

she took everything.

 

Sorry, Amma.

 

:-)

 

Love,

Dan

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Good points, James.

 

Yet I don't see love,

beginningless love that is,

as being re-presented.

 

Only an image is

capable of representation.

 

And an image requires a mind/body

to be there, to retain

and respond to the image.

 

The retention, image, response, and

the mind are the same activity --

and that activity has a beginning

and end, and an identity ...

 

Now, if you stand next to a representation

of love, what are you standing next to,

when you move away from that representation?

 

What if you are locked in a mental hospital

in upstate New York, or a penitentary

in Mississipi? What are you standing

next to?

 

Love,

Dan

> Hi Eric,

>

> Amma is the re-presentation of Love and is as human/non-human

as

> you or me.

>

> I feel that it is not about surrendering to another human being

> that has been idolized/idealized.

>

> I feel that the surrender and wholehearted acceptance is Love.

It

> is not a surrender 'to' nor an accecpting 'of' something - it

is 'what

> is' when there is no one and nothing other than One.

>

> One who resonates/represents Love is like a burning log. When

> another log is close to the one that is burning there is a

> 'Transmission of the Flame' and 'separation' is consumed in the

> eternal flame of Love - Love.

>

>

> Love,

> James

>

>

>

> , ErcAshfrd@a... wrote:

> > Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

> >

> > So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old

> lady like

> > Amma?

> >

> > What a pity. :-)

> >

> > love

> >

> > eric

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Thanks Dan,

 

Yes only an image can is capable of re-presentation.

Just as the word Love is a representation of that which it points

to.

 

In this light I feel that 'Love Love' points to '______'.

 

 

 

Love,

James

 

 

 

 

, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

> Good points, James.

>

> Yet I don't see love,

> beginningless love that is,

> as being re-presented.

>

> Only an image is

> capable of representation.

>

> And an image requires a mind/body

> to be there, to retain

> and respond to the image.

>

> The retention, image, response, and

> the mind are the same activity --

> and that activity has a beginning

> and end, and an identity ...

>

> Now, if you stand next to a representation

> of love, what are you standing next to,

> when you move away from that representation?

>

> What if you are locked in a mental hospital

> in upstate New York, or a penitentary

> in Mississipi? What are you standing

> next to?

>

> Love,

> Dan

>

> > Hi Eric,

> >

> > Amma is the re-presentation of Love and is as human/non-human

> as

> > you or me.

> >

> > I feel that it is not about surrendering to another human

being

> > that has been idolized/idealized.

> >

> > I feel that the surrender and wholehearted acceptance is Love.

> It

> > is not a surrender 'to' nor an accecpting 'of' something - it

> is 'what

> > is' when there is no one and nothing other than One.

> >

> > One who resonates/represents Love is like a burning log. When

> > another log is close to the one that is burning there is a

> > 'Transmission of the Flame' and 'separation' is consumed in the

> > eternal flame of Love - Love.

> >

> >

> > Love,

> > James

> >

> >

> >

> > , ErcAshfrd@a... wrote:

> > > Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

> > >

> > > So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old

> > lady like

> > > Amma?

> > >

> > > What a pity. :-)

> > >

> > > love

> > >

> > > eric

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, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

> , ErcAshfrd@a... wrote:

> > Dear Dan, Zenbob and Jody,

> >

> > So you won't even surrender wholeheartedly to a sweet little old

> lady like

> > Amma?

> >

> > What a pity. :-)

> >

> > love

> >

> > eric

>

> Dear Eric,

>

> Actually, I already surrendered

> wholeheartedly to the little old lady

> from Pasadena. You know, the

> one who left everyone breathless

> and chanting, "Go Granny, go

> granny, go granny, go!"

> She breezed in and

> out of my life in a flash, and

> she took everything.

>

> Sorry, Amma.

>

> :-)

>

> Love,

> Dan

 

Yeah. I, on the other hand, have been the property

of Sri Ma Kali Dakshineswari since 1984. However, She

threw me into Her mouth one day, chewed me up into a

gruel and spit me out. It is this gruel that communicates

with you all on this list.

 

looking like dried up puke--jody.

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, "nisarga111" <nisarga@c...> wrote:

 

>One who resonates/represents Love is like a burning log. When

another log is close to the one that is burning there is a

'Transmission of the Flame' and 'separation' is consumed in the

eternal flame of Love - Love.

 

 

....Thank you!

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

 

(to james)

Yet I don't see love,

beginningless love that is,

as being re-presented.

 

 

 

 

.....everybody can only view from the place where they are identified -

- if they are anchored in the "egoic", they only see from that point

of view. if they are anchored in the witness, they only see from that

vantage point, and so on. in fact, any point of view can be subjected

to the inquiry, although the more "advanced" are invariably

more "smug", since they do not suffer as much as the egoic, and thus

have little motivation to question their position, which may be quite

comfy and blissful, but nevertheless does not equal true freedom and

liberation.

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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Namaste James --

> Yes only an image can is capable of re-presentation.

> Just as the word Love is a representation of that which it

points

> to.

>

> In this light I feel that 'Love Love' points to '______'.

 

Yes, words fail.

 

Words and all that words assume

(perceptions, times, beings, places)

 

fall short.

 

Can only fall short.

 

" ....... "

 

Indeed!

 

Love,

Dan

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, "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7> wrote:

> , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

>

> (to james)

> Yet I don't see love,

> beginningless love that is,

> as being re-presented.

>

>

>

>

> ....everybody can only view from the place where they are

identified -

> - if they are anchored in the "egoic", they only see from that

point

> of view. if they are anchored in the witness, they only see from

that

> vantage point, and so on. in fact, any point of view can be

subjected

> to the inquiry, although the more "advanced" are invariably

> more "smug", since they do not suffer as much as the egoic, and

thus

> have little motivation to question their position, which may be

quite

> comfy and blissful, but nevertheless does not equal true freedom

and

> liberation.

>

> LoveAlways,

>

> b

 

I think you missed what I said.

 

To "re-present" means to show again,

which can only involve a concept,

that which is defined and repeated.

 

What is represented has beginning and end,

beginninglessness is not represented,

yet is all that is.

 

When you speak of these "everybody"'s

and say "they" are anchored in various

ways -- identification has already occurred

in the view taken of "them."

 

When you talk about "smugness" this can only

be as it appears to you.

 

Dissolution of this "me"-center here "liberates"

the universe which is constellated as that "me."

 

 

Allways,

d.

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, "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:

 

To "re-present" means to show again,

which can only involve a concept,

that which is defined and repeated.

 

 

.....What Is perpetually reveals Itself in form to perception.

Interpretation upon perception adds the story, or concept.

 

 

 

What is represented has beginning and end,

beginninglessness is not represented,

yet is all that is.

 

 

......"all that is" appears in perception to arise and dissolve within

a context, that which does not change, arise, or dissolve.

 

 

When you speak of these "everybody"'s

and say "they" are anchored in various

ways -- identification has already occurred

in the view taken of "them."

When you talk about "smugness" this can only

be as it appears to you.

 

 

.....this is the inherent duality of language, and yet this forum

would be rather uninteresting without the verbal investigation

possible with words, and the sharing of views. all views are by

nature forms of interpretation, and yet interpretation itself is

essentially empty, and free of identity, unless a subject doing the

interpretation is imagined and clung to. regardless, it is still

essentially empty. for example, i may call myself bob, and call my

Beloved Mazie, but this is just a kind of game being played by Love

for the sheer delight of recognizing Itself in forms of multiplicity.

 

 

 

 

Dissolution of this "me"-center here "liberates"

the universe which is constellated as that "me."

 

 

......what never existed cannot dissolve, and what was never bound

cannot be liberated, except in the imagination conditioned by

interpretation.

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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