The light pulco... or "Did I know all this before it was known...?"

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

 

I am reading your post on the "light pulco"... but as I am reading it, my

beloved Sandeep comes to mind... I 'fast forward' to the end of your post

and indeed there it is...: signed "Sandeep"

 

I am not calling you to task Bob..., oh no, not at all, I have come to

appreciate you as lovingly as I appreciate Sandeep...

I just found it "so neat"...

 

What happened though....

Some time warp here...?

 

:-)

 

Here it is from last September... (By the way, we all knew this of course,

even before it was known...)

 

Wim

 

 

Sandeep Chatterjee [sandeepc]

Saturday, September 29, 2001 9:57 PM

Wim Borsboom

Breaching the Speed of Light

 

Hi Wim,

 

Sometime back I had shared on some List on the fact that speed of Light

thought to be THE constant for Life, had been breached.

 

Have a look, whether it sits well with you.

 

Cheers

 

Sandeep

 

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On the breaking of the "ultimate" barrier, the speed of light currently

sanctified at 186,000 miles per sec, I was in Europe few months back when

the London Sunday Times carried a report on an experiment carried out at the

NEC Research Institute in Princeton, USA where "light pulco" has been

accelerated to 300 times their normal velocity of 186,00 miles per sec.

 

The details of the findings I am told had been submitted to the

International Scientific journals "Nature" and "Science" for verification

and validation before open publication.

 

This validation and verification took place in the last few days.

The experiment has been validated and reported by the Science magazines and

journals, including BBC, Washington Post and other leading newspapers.

 

The implications of this finding, are not mind- boggling but

mind-annihilating.

The Human Genome project is nothing in comparison.

 

For the experiment showed that light pulse existed in two places at once.

In effect, it is "leaping forward in time" (Sunday times)

What is making the scientists aghast is that "if light can travel forward in

time, it could carry information".

 

This (carriage of information) is being hotly argued against, by the rest of

the scientific community, but that to me is like a Scientific DNS(Dark Night

of the Soul, where all your life long dearly cherished beliefs are getting

exposed for what they are. Obviously you are pissed off, in agony)

 

The breaching of the speed of Light, would breach one of the basic

principles in Physics-Law of causality which is based on the premise that

cause must come before effect.

 

It would also shatter Einstein's theory of Relativity." (Sunday Times)

 

 

However for me, the Princeton experiment is completely aligned to the

premise or concept that mystics have indicated for the last 5,000 years,

that everything that has happened, is happening, is to happen, have all

already happened.

 

And thus has anything ever happened?

 

Is there anything like a cause, an effect or are both "existing" together

simultaneously?

 

Is the totality of the Picture already IS?

 

If yes, the concept of karma goes out of the window, the concept of effort

which really is a process of becoming (from an un-enlightened state, you

meditate or whatever your favorite poison, towards enlightenment), all that

is OUT.

 

 

Relating to this scientific development, else where in cyber space, a

question came up.

 

Thomas:

Sandeep, I would be interested in how you think this neutralizes the

concepts of karma and enlightenment.

 

 

My conceptual two bit of a reply to Thomas...........

 

 

Ahaa

Let's take the concept of enlightenment, first.

In the conceptual world of phenomenality, something has a meaning only on

the basis of it's opposite.

 

"Good" has no meaning unless the definition of "evil" is in place and

mutually agreed.Saddam and Bill Clinton may not have an mutually agreeable

definition, for example.

 

The concept of "enlightenment" has no meaning unless you define what that

state is to be, (which off course is a joke) and this you define by defining

what an "Un-enlightened" state is to be.

 

After all one can only know about freedom, when one defines what bondage is

and pursues to be free, by accepting that one is bound in the first place.

 

The very pursuit perpetuating the bondage, but let's get back to the

question you raised, Thomas.

 

One then assumes that one is currently "un-enlightened" and then proceeds to

adopt, swear by, "paths", "efforts", "practices", which one believes

will

move oneself from one state to the other.

 

I wonder whether you see the absurdity of all this( akin a dog chasing it's

own tail), but let's get back to the consequences of the breaching of the

Speed of Light.

 

When you define the two states of "un-enlightened" and a separate

"enlightenment", you are actually accepting the process of "becoming".

 

You are "this" and you believe that you can become "that".

 

And you assume that this "becoming" can be achieved through X, Y, Z, etc,

etc.

 

With the assumption of "becoming", you give birth to the concepts of "time",

as you need a postulate of "duration" in which this "becoming" is to be

completed and you give birth to the concept of space, in order to cognize

the "becoming" .

 

With the birth of the concepts time and space, you give birth to the concept

of the Causality, a cause, which occurs in time and gives birth to an

effect, also in time and space.

 

(X,Y,Z , can get me enlightenment or a Million dollars, ability to walk on

water or seduce that blonde, whatever, a cause and an effect of that cause)

 

Now with the breaching of the speed of Light, the experiment reached 300

times the current record at Cosmic Olympics of 300,00- kms per sec, why not

30,000 times the current standard, why not 3 Million times, why not infinite

times?

 

If speed of light is actually infinite (another concept), we have only been

able to recognize it as 300 times 300,000 kms per sec as of now, what you

are really seeing is that there is not even a trillionth of a nanosecond

difference between the starting point of light and ending point of light.

 

Existence in two place is simultaneous, Existence in infinite points is

simultaneous.

 

(At the moment, even the team at NEC, Princeton, do not claim this is

possible, but as I said earlier that is like a Scientific DNS).

 

Cause and effect IS simultaneously.

 

All that has happened, is happening, is to happen, has already happened.

 

The totality of the picture, is already there, was always.

 

Hence the postulate of time goes out of the window and with that movement is

an impossibility, and with movement becoming an impossibility, the postulate

of space is a joke.

 

Ergo, "becoming" is a joke, if totality of the picture IS already.

 

Cause, "becoming" an effect, is a joke, because there is really no cause and

effect.

 

Causality, is thus a joke.

 

The states of "un-enlightenment" and "enlightenment" and movement between

the two, is a joke.

 

In oneness, which is nothing but "existing" at infinite point

simultaneously, who is there "un-enlightened" which is to become

"enlightened"?

 

Let's now take our good old friend- karma.

 

The concept of karma essentially being the consequences of a previous "self"

effecting the current "self" is all based on the process of "becoming" which

is a joke.

 

In oneness, who is laying karma on whom?

 

My right hand reaches out in love and clasps my left hand earning "good"

karma or reaches out in anger and slaps my left hand, earning "bad" karma,

it's all I, isn't it?

 

 

Cheers

 

Sandeep

 

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hrtbeat7 [hrtbeat7]

Monday, June 10, 2002 8:29 AM

Re: Amma & Mazie

 

 

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

 

Actually that separation is not imaginary, although it is difficult

to discern usually--that separation is called "time."

 

 

>>> In Europe few months back the London Sunday Times carried a report on

an experiment carried out at the NEC Research Institute in Princeton,

....[big snip]...

(Sandeep) <<<

 

 

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

 

What happened though....

Some time warp here...?

 

 

....Dear Brother,

 

i copied Sandeep's essay on light pulco into my files earlier this

year(?) to share the wonder/inquiry with our friends.

and yes -- it is always already "known".

that is why the Eagles sang:

 

"Ah but She can't take you anywhere

you don't already know how to go."

 

LoveAlways,

 

b