Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > Peter wrote;II Peter, Chapter 2 > > 1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as > there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in > damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring > upon themselves swift destruction. > > 2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom > the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. > > Peter is talking to his flock telling them of people in their own > midst who lie to them and distort the word for their own purposes. A > very reasonable exhortation. > > some people cannot keep from promoting themselves at the expense of > the truth. The message is worthy. Hi Bobby -- Reasonable to whom? Reasonable to someone who wants to be part of a flock? Reasonable to someone who wants to be in charge of a flock? Mabye so. But reasonable to everyone? I don't think so. That seems to be Wim's point -- not reasonable to everyone. And what of someone who isn't of the flock, questions the authority of the one who wants to maintain a flock. Who is the false teacher -- how will this be known? One says, be part of the flock, and damn someone who questions the flock. The other says, being part of the flock conditions perceptions and distorts truth. How to know? Only from and of yourself can truth be known. No flock-keeper can provide the truth by telling me to beware the bad flock-keepers who aren't like him. The first-hand truth can't be handed over by a flock-keeper. So the question about whether one flock-keeper is true, and the other is damnable and false, is moot. The eagle's truth is not the truth of the sheep. Namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 on 6/11/02 7:01 AM, dan330033 at dan330033 wrote: Reasonable to someone who wants to be in charge of a flock? =========== EXACTLY It is politics to keep control. Beware of those who would say beware......no just be attentive. I usually see a great big fat black line between true/ false, See? But then, when I look close, I see dots......and then the dots appear grey, they in turn , turn (2 turns) into a figure that reminds me...where was I... ...oh yeah...beware.......o-o-o-o-scary....ahhahahahh(scared myself) love you all, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Just BE Aware. :-) ~ ~ Michael At 04:14 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote: on 6/11/02 7:01 AM, dan330033 at dan330033 wrote: Reasonable to someone who wants to be in charge of a flock? =========== EXACTLY It is politics to keep control. Beware of those who would say beware......no just be attentive. I usually see a great big fat black line between true/ false, See? But then, when I look close, I see dots......and then the dots appear grey, they in turn , turn (2 turns) into a figure that reminds me...where was I... ...oh yeah...beware.......o-o-o-o-scary....ahhahahahh(scared myself) love you all, Shawn /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > I usually see a great big fat black line between true/ false, See? > > But then, when I look close, I see dots......and then the dots appear grey, > they in turn , turn (2 turns) into a figure that reminds me...where was I... > ..oh yeah...beware.......o-o-o-o-scary....ahhahahahh(scared myself) > > love you all, > > Shawn Yes - it's what's between the dots that will really getcha! Ooopps, it gotcha! Wheredya go? Scary stuff, Dan :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 on 6/11/02 12:32 PM, Wim Borsboom at wim (AT) aurasphere (DOT) org wrote: Hi Shawn, You wrote: >>> love you all <<< I just so love you Shawn..., it was a good day the day you joined us awaiting you... Wim +++++++++++++++++++ Thank you Wim, appreciate the hug! I feel I've always been here. love you all, (whoa...deja vu) Shawn------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi Shawn, You wrote: >>> love you all <<< I just so love you Shawn..., it was a good day the day you joined us awaiting you... Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Mazie, I love it when you share your YUM. love, Shawn ============ on 6/11/02 12:52 PM, mazie_l at sraddha54 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: > Re: The eagle will suffer if trying to be a sheepHi Shawn, > > You wrote: > >>> love you all <<< > > I just so love you Shawn..., it was a good day the day you joined us > awaiting you... > > Wim Dearest Wim and Shawn, Just moments before i read this email i had an inclination to say nearly the same thing to Shawn, and what a fine and beautiful friend he is to this one. A certain loveliness of fresh and vibrant wordplay and lifelight and such, that is what i feel from you Shawn. We are the lucky ones since you came to play here with us, and Wim, you are so sweetly kind to say this to our Beloved friend. Hearts meeting in the Heart, runnning along with laughter and fun, and what a Happy OneHeart, yes... Love, Mazie > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: > Re: The eagle will suffer if trying to be a sheepHi Shawn, > > You wrote: > >>> love you all <<< > > I just so love you Shawn..., it was a good day the day you joined us > awaiting you... > > Wim Dearest Wim and Shawn, Just moments before i read this email i had an inclination to say nearly the same thing to Shawn, and what a fine and beautiful friend he is to this one. A certain loveliness of fresh and vibrant wordplay and lifelight and such, that is what i feel from you Shawn. We are the lucky ones since you came to play here with us, and Wim, you are so sweetly kind to say this to our Beloved friend. Hearts meeting in the Heart, runnning along with laughter and fun, and what a Happy OneHeart, yes... Love, Mazie > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 on 6/11/02 12:50 PM, shawn at shawn (AT) withouraloha (DOT) com wrote: Mazie, I love it when you share your YUM. love, Shawn ============ .....but i keep feeling the desire for a cigarette after! *lol* ======================= on 6/11/02 12:52 PM, mazie_l at sraddha54 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: , Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote: > Re: The eagle will suffer if trying to be a sheepHi Shawn, > > You wrote: > >>> love you all <<< > > I just so love you Shawn..., it was a good day the day you joined us > awaiting you... > > Wim Dearest Wim and Shawn, Just moments before i read this email i had an inclination to say nearly the same thing to Shawn, and what a fine and beautiful friend he is to this one. A certain loveliness of fresh and vibrant wordplay and lifelight and such, that is what i feel from you Shawn. We are the lucky ones since you came to play here with us, and Wim, you are so sweetly kind to say this to our Beloved friend. Hearts meeting in the Heart, runnning along with laughter and fun, and what a Happy OneHeart, yes... Love, Mazie > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release 1/2/2002 /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi Michael, Beware vs. BE Aware! Appreciated !:-). Now what about awareness..., I have not met anybody yet who was not aware... Wim PS. I like to make people aware of that :-))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 At 06:42 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote: Hi Michael, Beware vs. BE Aware! Appreciated !:-). Now what about awareness..., I have not met anybody yet who was not aware... Wim PS. I like to make people aware of that :-))) Hi Wim: Thanks for making me aware of that. Now, help me with this one. I have been trying to convince my wife for ten years now that NOW is all there is. She just will not believe me. Can you IMAGINE? LOL, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 on 6/11/02 11:59 AM, Michael D. Johnson at mdjmjj (AT) charter (DOT) net wrote: Just BE Aware. :-) ~ ~ Michael ================== What is "aware?" ~(:-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Shawn (your emoticon noted) you asked: >>> What is "aware?" ~(:-o <<< In Dutch that is so easy to figure out. We say 'gewaar' and in Dutch 'waar' means 'true', connoting experiential evidence as provided by the five senses. Evidence in which any kind of 'second guessing' is fully absent. "Ah, evidamant!" the French would say to this. "Makes sense!" they would say in Missouri, after you've shown them... (Note: Missouri is the "Show me" state.) "Das ist ja doch so" Germans would say. And where most English speaking people would probably shrug their shoulders and say, "I don't know..." some would say, "Ain't that the truth?!" Wim (Do I make sense?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 At 08:46 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote: on 6/11/02 11:59 AM, Michael D. Johnson at mdjmjj (AT) charter (DOT) net wrote: Just BE Aware. :-) ~ ~ Michael ================== What is "aware?" ~(:-o Awareness is no-what. Aware is BE-ing aware. Awareness IS. Who is aware of this? No one. No thing. To say some-one is aware is to be not aware. To say some one is not aware is to be not aware. Awareness leaves me speech-less. In Awareness, Michael/leahciM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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